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Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by dkjaudyeqooe on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:02PM (#43120867)
Yes I'm sure your business spends roughly $10 trillion a year so the federal government should use your system because it scales so well.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by tw_wankette on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:32PM (#43121215)
If anything, such an extensive system should have better controls than a small business. Given that, there are trillions of dollars flowing around of other people's money.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by popularrecluse on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:42PM (#43121343)
You're falling for the sleight of hand if you think this is where bulk of the waste is.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:27PM (#43121156)
Exactly. That's why there are charge cards.

I suspect that a charge on the card involves at least 15 seconds of writing down what the charge was for.

The point of giving employees the authority to spend from charge card without excessive additional oversight is to keep it at the 2-3 minutes (realistically it's going to be at least that, not "15 seconds") per expense, rather than 2-3 hours of bureaucracy.

Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by alaithea on Thursday February 20, 2025 @04:52PM (#43120764)
Have you worked for the federal government? Employees literally have to fill out forms and follow a strict process to buy anything when they don't have these charge cards.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by dragonwriter on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:23PM (#43121098)
If my experience in non-federal government is any guide, they have similar requirements when they use the card, the difference is that it is after the fact and if the application gets rejected, the payment is the employee’s responsibility. The amount of red tape is the same either way, but with the caed the red tape happens after the purchase.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by michaelt on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:43PM (#43121361)
With the card, the urgent next-day-delivery order is already on its way while the red tape waits for approval. And the worker enters the order into the supplier's website directly.

With a standard order, the urgent order is entered into Oracle Financials, waiting for approval, and some time during office hours in the next 1-2 days someone in finance will copy the order into the supplier's website, omitting one order line by accident.

Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by selectodude on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:32PM (#43121210)
The federal government actually operates in the opposite way. They cosign a credit card under your name, you have to pay it off at the end of every month, and they reimburse you after the fact.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by dragonwriter on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:35PM (#43121247)
That's pretty much the mechanism of acheiving the effect that I was describing on State governments I’ve seen, too. I was just trying to generalize on the level of responsibility, rather than detailed payment flow.
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Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by gaganyaan on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:11PM (#43120956)
You have quite the imagination. Your fantasy of Musk's competence is unmoored from reality
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by alaithea on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:01PM (#43120856)
So, remove the checks and balances that were already put in place over decades to make sure employees are spending responsibly. Um, sure.

With the employee cards, all the transactions are traceable and can be monitored with a minimum of red tape. How exactly would one improve upon that? It's literally the technologically-enabled solution.

Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by johnnyanmac on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:15PM (#43121013)
Do you shut down your entire business before rolling out a new system?
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by viraptor on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:17PM (#43121030)
If you want to save money and remove bureaucracy, you first create a system, then migrate to it and sort out issues, then remote the old system. Now it's going to take months to get something new in place, while also juggling manual approvals and getting things through payment systems individually.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by morcus on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:10PM (#43120950)
Wouldn't it be prudent to do that before rolling out such a change?
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by aldarisbm on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:17PM (#43121036)
while you imagine this, let's waste order of magnitudes more in red tape, that is if your imagination and DOGE's imagination are in the same place.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by alabastervlog on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:01PM (#43120863)
Re-discovering why things worked the way they did (waste, corruption, and fraud prevention) is gonna be fun.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by iAMkenough on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:19PM (#43121052)
You think they would have mentioned that in the memo if they were.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by throwway120385 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:37PM (#43121280)
I have a company credit card. Guess what I do for every transaction?
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by highwaylights on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:13PM (#43120983)
Per transaction.

You know what’s way more efficient though?

Cards.

Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by adamredwoods on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:15PM (#43121014)
Exactly, automation.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by Gibbon1 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:07PM (#43121657)
Part of the effeminacy is they get what they need now not some time in the future. The old school requisition systems where everything had to be approved in advance and the purchase handled by a purchasing agent was slow and inefficient for small orders. Which is why organizations give their employees a card with a spending limit.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by abujazar on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:40PM (#43121328)
As if you don't have to do that when using a govt credit card for expenses.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by WheatMillington on Thursday February 20, 2025 @04:57PM (#43120811)
Your little tin-pot business has absolutely nothing to do with the procurement formalities of a large organisation.
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by readthenotes1 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:21PM (#43121072)
Apparently some of the transactions were in strip clubs. I'd be willing to bet that the procurement formalities of a small business of quite a bit in common with the formalities of a large business...
Re:DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit... by IAmGraydon on Thursday February 20, 2025 @05:22PM (#43121081)
You own a “business” that’s clearly just you.