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Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by insane_dreamer on Monday February 10, 2025 @07:27PM (#43007247)
I was 30 years old, saw it live on TV. So ... no

But as others have pointed out, a lot of the TSA processes (taking off shoes, laptops, liquids, etc.) are pointless.

What prevents another 9/11 are the cockpit doors, which have nothing to do with TSA.

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by bdangubic on Monday February 10, 2025 @07:46PM (#43007440)
the shoes, the tooth paste, the water… are all necessary security theatre. the real work is happening behind the scenes. but the theatre is also necessary (albeit not as dramatic as we have it now :) )
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by insane_dreamer on Monday February 10, 2025 @07:50PM (#43007490)
how is the theatre also necessary?
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by bdangubic on Monday February 10, 2025 @07:57PM (#43007570)
it is necessary so that some Adam Lanza-wannabe doesn’t get any ideas on how to quickly become infamous
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by cogman10 on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:15PM (#43007735)
The school shooters do that because it's shocking and gets in the news. We have so many crowded situations throughout the world where an equal splash could be made.

We need about as much security around the airport as we need around a subway or a concert.

After the dark knight shooting, we didn't find the need to put up xray scanners in every movie theater. It's dumb to do that with airports.

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by bdangubic on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:31PM (#43007881)
We need about as much security around the airport as we need around a subway or a concert.

as soon as we have 2.7 million people in subway and/or concert daily in the US you'd be right... until then...

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by cogman10 on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:34PM (#43007908)
NYC has 3.6 million daily riders. So guess I'm right.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by bdangubic on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:57PM (#43008089)
NYC is an island... doing shit on the NYC subway disrupts bunch of people living on a (largely populated) island. doing shit on airplanes causes country-wide (and beyond) issues.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by cogman10 on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:15PM (#43008202)
> doing shit on airplanes causes country-wide (and beyond) issues.

Like what?

In the absolute worst case it grounds flights nation wide and 100 people die. In the grand scheme of things that's a minor hiccup and not a likely outcome. We saw a bigger impact from the polar vortex.

The security simply doesn't match the value.

I'll remind you that 70 people died from an airplane accident. Tragic, but we were hardly impacted by it. When you talk about 2.7 million flyers, the impact of a few hundred dying a year still makes it one of the safest forms of travel.

Airplanes aren't special and shouldn't have the annoying special security treatment they do today.

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by bdangubic on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:09PM (#43008852)
if few hundred died per year that number 2.7 would not be millions but maybe hundreds :)
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by cogman10 on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:25PM (#43008954)
A few hundred do die per year. In 2023 it was 327.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by saagarjha on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @05:28AM (#43011147)
You do realize where the twin towers were, right?
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by Lammy on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:31PM (#43007879)
Security theater guarantees a giant line of people right in the front where that crowd is most easily accessible instead of at the back if those people could go straight to their gates. I would rather see news media stop making every one of those people infamous so it ceases to be a way to get a bunch of attention.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by bdangubic on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:41PM (#43007973)
I would rather see news media stop making every one of those people infamous so it ceases to be a way to get a bunch of attention.

amen! but we know that ain't happening

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by sealeck on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:49PM (#43008041)
That's like imagining school shooters won't get an AR-15 and do a school shooting because you put an otherwise unarmed guy with a baton by the front gate.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by jghn on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @02:43PM (#43028979)
It's "necessary" because the TSA is largely just a jobs program, albeit one that is palatable to the median American.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by Spooky23 on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:29PM (#43007857)
I’m sure the dude with the Sawzall will find that funny.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by extraduder_ire on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:38PM (#43007941)
I think locked cockpit doors pale in comparison to the average airline passenger knowing it's a possibility.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by colonial on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:18PM (#43008222)
This is exactly right. Before 9/11, hijackings weren't unheard of, but they were almost universally political stunts with some "hostage situation" to taste [1]. As a passenger, if you just played along, your odds of getting hurt were quite low.

Nowadays, any would-be hijacker is going to get immediately dogpiled and beat within an inch of their lives before they ever reach first class.

[1]: https://www.vox.com/2016/3/29/11326472/hijacking-airplanes-e...

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by dmoy on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:30PM (#43008297)
Alternatively: if you flew Southwest prior to 9/11, other passengers would absolutely murder you if you threatened to go in the cockpit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_17...

Post 9/11 everyone else just caught up (except minus the actually killing the person), see e.g. the shoe bomber guy.

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by SilasX on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:02PM (#43008807)
>Before 9/11, hijackings weren't unheard of, but they were almost universally political stunts with some "hostage situation" to taste [1]. As a passenger, if you just played along, your odds of getting hurt were quite low.

Yeah. So much that, on the morning of 9/11, when a student in my college class was announcing there was a hijacking, I remember wanting to shout “Who cares? Those happen all the time and it gets resolved![1] Why is this a priority?”

… until he got to the part about it crashing into the WTC.

[1] Which, of course, still would have been out of line to say, but I was unusually cranky and didn’t get why that would be something to stop everything over.

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by scarface_74 on Monday February 10, 2025 @10:08PM (#43008490)
With the newer scanners, you don’t have to take laptops out even without TSA pre check from what I have read. We have TSA Precheck so I can’t verify it.

I do know flying from Los Cabos Mexico where TSA doesn’t matter, I didn’t have to remove my laptop a couple of years ago

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by BobaFloutist on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:11PM (#43008866)
The other thing that prevents another 9/11 is the first 9/11.

Before 9/11, airplane hijackers were like bank robbers: idiots trying to get some cash. If you just followed their orders, everyone would mostly get out alive.

Even mid-9/11, when it became clear that the hijackers were using the planes to attack civilians (at the necessary cost of the lives of the passengers), people stopped cooperating and stopped the final plane from reaching its target.

Even if someone walked into the cockpit with a gun they'd get nothing for their trouble but an immediate nosedive as the pilot sacrificed the plane to protect whatever the intended target was.

Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by NhanH on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:28PM (#43008977)
For the situation where the hijacker can actually control the plane, I'd imagine the US military now has a more proper response and will be able to scramble jet in time to shoot down the plane (they didn't have such plan for domestic situation in 2001).
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by SoftTalker on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:28PM (#43008976)
The nosedive would also throw the hijacker up to the ceiling and/or backwards with a good chance of knocking him out or at least giving him a nasty concussion.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by insane_dreamer on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @10:40AM (#43014069)
also, before 9/11 many airplane hijackers were also political protests (PLO, Cuba, etc.) where the goal was _not_ to kill anyone, not terrorists intent on killing as many people as possible
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by njarboe on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:15PM (#43008895)
Cockpit doors and the fact that just letting hijackers do what they want is no longer acceptable to Americans. We solved the hijacking problem about 60 minutes after the first plane hit the twin towers. Flight 93 is proof of that.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by johnnyanmac on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:33PM (#43009000)
Given how polarized the US has gotten: I wonder how much we regressed in 23 years and if modern people would do the same thing.
Re:Why hasn't commercial air travel gotten any faster since ... by ksenzee on Monday February 10, 2025 @11:42PM (#43009050)
It’s a good question. If you filled a flight with as many attackers as you could get tickets for, would the remaining seats have enough people willing and able to fight back? I’ll admit I’m glad they lock the cockpit doors.