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Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by rvnx on Monday February 10, 2025 @05:11PM (#43005948)
You can choose as an investor between:

a) Coca-Cola (~$300B, profitable, stable, stock-listed, well-known addictive brand, accepted business model with steady growth)

b) OpenAI (bleeding cash: $5B lost last year, tech that is not really novel anymore, weird corporate setup, competition that offers similar products).

It's not that easy to support the idea that OpenAI will be the winner.

Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by FactolSarin on Monday February 10, 2025 @06:18PM (#43006552)
I've been saying the same thing about Tesla for years, but here we are. The market can stay irrational blah blah blah
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by throwawayffffas on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:02PM (#43008130)
Well now that the Donald is running the US and is about to cut subsidies for electric vehicles, add tariffs to aluminum and steel, now maybe the markets may see the light, I am not holding my breath though.
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by SergeAx on Monday February 10, 2025 @10:41PM (#43008675)
Steel and aluminum tariffs will hit all car manufacturers simultaneously.
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by throwawayffffas on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @05:47AM (#43011295)
If all cars are more expensive, and all manufacturers have lower margins Tesla will have lower margins too. For the stock price the competition won't be other car manufacturers but other industries.

It would be a "subsiding tide lowers all boats" kind of thing.

Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by ben_w on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @04:36PM (#43030008)
I've been thinking, when I younger and living in the UK, all sorts of things (including some with the word "tax" in them) were denounced by the local right wing as "stealth taxes".

Trump is talking about tariffs as if they're a tax on non-Americans, but they're paid for by Americans who import stuff, which is basically all Americans given where your oil, aluminium, and steel come from.

Those tariffs are a stealth tax.

Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by pillefitz on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @12:29AM (#43009307)
Cutting subsidies would weaken Tesla's competitors (according to Musk)
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by wnc3141 on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @08:04AM (#43012286)
Tesla- being more vertically integrated- stands to benefit from disproportionately increased costs for its competitors
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by fakedang on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @06:45PM (#43019848)
Just because costs are higher for its competition doesn't mean that people are going to be buying more Teslas. Last I checked, Tesla was already down 40-60% in sales at its major European markets. They're getting absolutely slaughtered by BYD in China.
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by wnc3141 on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @09:32PM (#43032076)
I mean as long as people are still buying cars, Tesla becomes more cost competitive. But in the short run it's not for consumers as much as it is for investors.

You may be right that Tesla will struggle internationally and the car market as a whole will struggle in USA

Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by HotHotLava on Monday February 10, 2025 @06:27PM (#43006636)
That comparison also shows that a recognizable brand alone can easily be worth more than 100 billion; Coca-Cola also has competition that offers similar products and zero tech advantage, but they still managed to keep their number one spot for decades.
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by mullingitover on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:28PM (#43007848)
OpenAI is pre-revenue, they're a pure play.

It's not about how much you earn, it's about how much you're worth.

Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by OccamsMirror on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:38PM (#43008324)
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by wnc3141 on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @08:06AM (#43012303)
the 'tres commas' era feels so quaint these days.
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by chefandy on Monday February 10, 2025 @08:47PM (#43008022)
Marking “new tech paradigm isn’t about turning a profit/ the rules have changed” on my tech bubble bingo card.
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by caspper69 on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:57PM (#43008429)
Is it already 1997 again?
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by theptip on Monday February 10, 2025 @09:37PM (#43008314)
Two bets with the same expected value can have wildly different variance.

The OpenAI bet is clearly that they build AGI and become the worlds first $10T company. At this valuation you only need to think it’s P > 0.1 for it to be a reasonable bet.

Coke is not a “swing for the fences” investment.

Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by Timber-6539 on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @02:24AM (#43009964)
The choice is not between that. It's between which of the two businesses can deliver outsized growth & returns back to the investor in their time horizon.
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by tim333 on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @08:00AM (#43012260)
Well, on the whole you can't because OpenAI isn't listed. If it was, retail investors would be piling in.
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by zild3d on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @08:09AM (#43012319)
Huh? These are very different investment goals, you're not choosing between a or b
Re:Elon Musk-Led Group Makes $97.4B Bid for Control of OpenAI by jappgar on Tuesday February 11, 2025 @08:58AM (#43012760)
So invest all your money in Coca-Cola and maybe beat inflation by one or two percent.

Or you can gamble it all on a meme stock and maybe 100x your wealth.

Institutional investors are doing both.