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Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by deathanatos on Thursday February 06, 2025 @01:18AM (#42959601)
> Subreddits like r/pics are packed full of thinly veiled death threats towards the sitting president or Elon Musk.

This is just blatant misinformation. Since r/pics is the only example you've chosen to give us, let's evaluate it: I've scrolled through the current first 50 posts in Hot, and 0 of them are death threats, thinly veiled or otherwise. "Packed full", indeed.

And here, so it isn't simply my word vs. his; these are the current posts:

  Protest, "Musk Stole Your Tax Data"
  Picture of Nazi being punched after making a Nazi salute
  Protest, "The Whole World is Watching"
  Painting over values at the FBI
  McConnell in a wheelchair
  Flag upside down outside State Dept.
  Kid covering ears with politician in foreground
  "Buy Canadian Instead" sign in CA store
  Protest, no visible message, flag with corp logos instead of stars
  German anti-fascism protest
  UFC fight match post KO [KO'd opponent is a neo-Nazi]
  US Marine holding flag in distress position
  Protestor, "No kings in America", dressed as Cap. America, mouth taped over
  Protest "Nobody voted for Elon"
  Protest "Stop Musk's Takeover"
  Picture of Trudeau
  Protest "Smells like Fascism"
… none of which are death threats. I could scroll all night and not see any examples.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by throwawaythekey on Thursday February 06, 2025 @01:47AM (#42959752)
Yeah "packed full" is probably a bit too heavy here. To pick a few examples though:

- The nazi punching thread had several moderated comments ranked near the top which were presumably calls to violence.

- The Mitch McConnal thread has many people looking forward to his death, hoping he goes to hell, and a few deleted comments.

- A musk thread has "eat the rich" and storm the capitol. Not super highly ranked.

I didn't go through all of them but it certainly is a bit odious.

Also note though how there's only 1 non political thread and the remainder are anti trump. This is on a general interest sub and what is likely to be an unremarkable day in the administration!

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by intended on Thursday February 06, 2025 @02:35AM (#42960019)
That helped the issue click into place - NONE of the past 15 days are unremarkable. And again, ITS BEEN 15 Days!

If you stop your thought at just “people are losing their shit”, thats seeing half the world.

I’d say thats disingenuous, because it misses or dismisses the incredibly alarming actions that have precipitated them.

If you genuinely care about it, then you might be interested in knowing why people are responding like this. For example, people generally hate Nazis, and punching Nazis is a popular idea.

DO people expect themselves to be polite when the see a takeover and destruction of their government? “it looks like pre WW2 Germany out there, do pass the salt dear.”

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by throwawaythekey on Thursday February 06, 2025 @03:23AM (#42960264)
Let me put it another way. Trump is likely to try many outrageous and unexpected things.

As someone who tries to be non partisan, and isn't even american, I am fatigued by all of the claims that the world within the USA is ending. Whenever I take the time to examine any of the claims they tend to be fairly hollow or making slippery slope arguments.

As an international user of reddit, there are many of us I presume, I want the outrage to be saved for Trumps undeniable and worst offenses. In my eyes the memecoin was worse than anything which has happened since he became president and yet it has completely left the collective focus. Everything since then has just been a mix of people allowing trump to dictate the media cycle and the deep state deploying its immune system.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by macNchz on Thursday February 06, 2025 @04:43AM (#42960738)
> slippery slope arguments

If we review democracies through history that have at some point become less democratic, I think describing the process of how that actually happens as being a slippery slope is quite apt. I’d say it’s more of a fallacy to assume that democracy is a secure default state of being rather than an ideal that we must collectively support or lose entirely—that we can safely “slip” a little without risking a slide further down the slope.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by derangedHorse on Thursday February 06, 2025 @07:10AM (#42961610)
The reason why a slippery slope is a fallacy is that the starting point is an arbitrary threshold. Nothing here indicates the end of democracy to me. To someone looking to find some indication, anything can look like the beginning of the end.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by macNchz on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:00AM (#42962989)
Many of the circumstances being called out as concerning in recent weeks map well to historical examples—the framing of the argument alone doesn’t inherently invalidate it when we have good examples of comparable events (e.g. purge and installation of unqualified loyalists) precipitating critical, difficult to recover from outcomes (democratic backsliding) in other societies. When the stakes are so high, vigilance is rational.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by caminante on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:44AM (#42964130)
> Many of the circumstances being called out as concerning in recent weeks map well to historical examples

They also map to historical counter-examples.

You don't have to go far. Take hysterical false positives like #RussiaGate, which turned out to be a manufactured hoax.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by buttercraft on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:32AM (#42964000)
Well, if you wait until that threshold is crossed, it's already too late!
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by throwawaythekey on Friday February 07, 2025 @01:31AM (#42970033)
Personally I enjoy slippery slope arguments which is why I didn't use the term fallacy. What I dislike is the reddit framing of having already slipped!
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by lazide on Thursday February 06, 2025 @05:15AM (#42960916)
And firing most of the national security council, and all the FBI agents who went after folks who did Jan 6th?
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday February 06, 2025 @08:45PM (#42968372)
What branch of government do they work for? Because if it is the executive... Go ahead and find something else to stomp your feet about.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by caminante on Thursday February 06, 2025 @03:05AM (#42960178)
Here you are, championing violence and ironically making the upthread parent's point about tolerated hostility.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by xvector on Thursday February 06, 2025 @03:26AM (#42960285)
This is the kind of hyperbolic doomerism that I think has completely suffocated any room for a reasoned discussion online since ~2016.

Let's say I disagreed with you - I have no incentive or reason to discuss those disagreements. Off the bat, you've called everyone that disagrees with you a Nazi that needs to be violently attacked.

So both sides will just go back to their echo chamber, perpetuating the cycle of increasingly extreme and detached rhetoric.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by foldr on Thursday February 06, 2025 @05:18AM (#42960931)
> Off the bat, you've called everyone that disagrees with you a Nazi that needs to be violently attacked.

They did not do this. Everyone can read the post that you’re responding to.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by marxisttemp on Thursday February 06, 2025 @06:03AM (#42961209)
What’s your issue with punching Nazis?
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by throwawaythekey on Friday February 07, 2025 @01:27AM (#42970013)
Calls to violence have no place in a civil society. Perhaps as a response to real, physical, violence it would be ok.

I also had trouble with all the far right wingers who kept talking about civil war.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by Juliate on Sunday February 09, 2025 @11:13AM (#42991537)
A nazi feeling empowered enough to open up and state his ideas is in itself a call to violence.

Or you didn't experience, or don't know what they are, what they think and what they want ; neither the aftermath.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by myko on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:54AM (#42963570)
Do you also consider Musk's nazism odious?

There is a reason people are angry and the truth is Musk/trump have gone too far. It's bizarre to say but we are watching the downfall of the USA in real time. The country has been captured by criminals who are working to destroy it–folks are going to be angry about that.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday February 06, 2025 @01:21PM (#42964998)
> Do you also consider Musk's nazism odious?

Are you for real? Is this seriously a good faith argument? My man, you may be a true believer, and that is no compliment. Course correct. Try to steelman a bit.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by myko on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:50PM (#43044228)
The nazi salute is a fact, the question is where do you draw the line. Is his nazism okay because it's a joke? Not that big a deal for other reasons? I admit it's difficult for me to steelman here because the best arguments I can come up with for him are unconvincing.

If you feel the need to defend the salute I would suggest digging into that.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by wat10000 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @01:16PM (#42964965)
Merely looking forward to someone’s death is now going too far? I get why overt threats are bad, but that’s getting ridiculous. Public figures are going to get some hate and that’s within the boundaries of what should be acceptable. Are we supposed to pretend there aren’t a bunch of destructive people in power we’d like to see gone?
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by caminante on Thursday February 06, 2025 @02:58AM (#42960142)
Only skimming the headlines is dishonest. Read the actual threads.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by lodovic on Thursday February 06, 2025 @01:57AM (#42959812)
You're missing the point. The real issue is that r/pics, a subreddit that should be about photography enthusiasm, has become so hyperfocused on politics, that it only features posts that are critical of Musk and Trump. As is evident from the list of active topics you posted.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by oneeyedpigeon on Thursday February 06, 2025 @03:20AM (#42960248)
Is r/pics explicitly apolitical? Does it tend to feature current events and is that lineup just proportional to the magnitude of what's happening right now?
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by deathanatos on Thursday February 06, 2025 @04:36PM (#42966746)
> Is r/pics explicitly apolitical?

No, as evidenced by the "Politics" flair. (But also no, the rules of the sub do not forbid political images.)

> Does it tend to feature current events and is that lineup just proportional to the magnitude of what's happening right now?

Yep.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by deathanatos on Thursday February 06, 2025 @04:33PM (#42966717)
> You're missing the point. The real issue is that r/pics, a subreddit that should be about photography enthusiasm, has become so hyperfocused on politics,

No, I'm not. I'm making a statement about a particular claim: that Reddit is overwhelmed with leftist death threats.

I said nothing about r/pics being apolitical, and I'm not taking a stance in this comment chain about whether I think r/pics should or should not be apolitical. That's a different claim, and you're moving the goalposts.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by xvector on Thursday February 06, 2025 @01:50AM (#42959762)
I picked some of them at random and saw comments like these:

> Bring back the guillotine

> violence is the answer

etc. The implication is clear.

In fact, Reddit itself has had to step in and remove hundreds of comments from some of the threads. r/WhitePeopleTwitter was just temp banned for a thread full of death threats and 40k upvotes as well.

Reddit has a problem. It is clearly radicalizing people.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by intended on Thursday February 06, 2025 @02:38AM (#42960036)
Reddit? Or the circumstances of Trump’s presidency?

Hacker News is radicalizing, and is very likely going to have to decide if it’s going to be pro MAGA or not.

What did people think the response was going to be once Trump did everything he said he would? People would lie back and let things happen?

In America? The land of the second amendment? I mean people should be happy, after this liberals are going to be proud members of the NRA.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by vaccineai on Thursday February 06, 2025 @03:50AM (#42960433)
From what I'm seeing so far, Trump has

- deported a few thousand illegal immigrants who are criminals and rapists

- reduced border encounters by 60-90%

- taken back Panama Canal from Chinese dictatorship

- attempted to shrink the size of the government and American tax burden

- put more tariffs on Chinese dictatorship

- increased foreign spending in US by a few hundred billion

- focused US on AI

- prevented biological men from beating up biological women in sports

- taken over Gaza to prevent another war between Israel and Hamas

- gotten Mexico and Canada to finally own up to protecting the border

- been taking fentanyls killing Americans very seriously

I've never seen so many good things accomplished from a government in such a short time. I'm sure many people around the world are jealous at the velocity of our government.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by eecc on Thursday February 06, 2025 @04:53AM (#42960797)
:D you forgot the /s
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by TFYS on Thursday February 06, 2025 @04:53AM (#42960799)
> deported a few thousand illegal immigrants who are criminals and rapists

As well as thousands who are normal hard-working people.

> taken back Panama Canal from Chinese dictatorship

By using threats of force like a dictatorship.

> attempted to shrink the size of the government and American tax burden

In illegal, non-democratic ways.

> put more tariffs on Chinese dictatorship

As well as more democratic allies.

> focused US on AI

Without understanding the huge risks involved for all of humanity.

> taken over Gaza to prevent another war between Israel and Hamas

By doing ethnic cleansing.

> gotten Mexico and Canada to finally own up to protecting the border

And in the process lost the trust and respect of allies.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by arkey on Thursday February 06, 2025 @05:45AM (#42961076)
> As well as thousands who are normal hard-working people.

Do you have sources for that? Honestly trying to find out. Thanks!

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by matwood on Thursday February 06, 2025 @08:08AM (#42961955)
The only way to round up the numbers Trump wants to round up at this point is by going to job sites. You may think differently, but I don't think criminal gang members are typically working construction, in meat packing plants or picking crops. They are busy doing...you know, criminal things.

Also, Biden has already addressed the numbers coming across the border [1]. So again, the people who are left are mostly hard working people trying to make a life.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by myko on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:57AM (#42963607)
> after this liberals are going to be proud members of the NRA.

I grew up an active NRA member, shooting since I was 6. I have long since disassociated myself with the group but want to make it clear - a lot of liberals have guns and regularly practice using them.

We don't need the NRA (a Putin funded organization) to do that!

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by Geezus_42 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @07:41PM (#43043319)
Well Trump is leaning into the Curtis Garvin BS which is apparently quite popular with the Silicon Valley crowd.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by Dalewyn on Thursday February 06, 2025 @02:12AM (#42959901)
It feels like everyone forgot Reddit's roots as far as its politics are concerned. Namely, the place was Libertarian Central on the internet until 2015 when it got astroturfed basically overnight to swing the other way. I was there to witness it and the whiplash was something fierce.

Reddit has been basically unusable for anything concerning politics since, and nowadays with politics leaking out into every damn sub possible it definitely has a problem.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by throwawaythekey on Thursday February 06, 2025 @03:24AM (#42960275)
It's a shame it's become hard to make free speech arguments on reddit. RIP Aaron Swartz.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by foldr on Thursday February 06, 2025 @05:07AM (#42960876)
It’s not a Reddit thing. I also remember the days when everyone online was a libertarian. But Conservatives then turned to nationalist ideologies that don’t emphasize the free market, that are anti-immigration, and that take a dim view of personal sexual freedom. There are fewer people expressing libertarian points of view all over the shop. There’s a good article about it here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/06/05/the-individual...
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by Dalewyn on Thursday February 06, 2025 @06:26AM (#42961342)
Sounds like you're the victim of the astroturfing I mentioned.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by foldr on Thursday February 06, 2025 @08:27AM (#42962080)
Nope. I’ve just been around long enough to observe the overall shifts in political discourse that have occurred since the early 2000s.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by fwip on Thursday February 06, 2025 @12:12PM (#42964376)
I used to be a libertarian too, when I was 17 years old and I thought I was the smartest person in the room.

Then I realized that my kindergarten teacher was onto something when she told us we should be nice and share our toys, and I grew up.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by foldr on Thursday February 06, 2025 @04:34PM (#42966725)
Libertarianism was never my thing, but I get the impression that it's not as popular with people in their teens and twenties now as it was in the 2000s.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by fwip on Thursday February 06, 2025 @12:13PM (#42964382)
Astroturfed by whom?
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by marxisttemp on Thursday February 06, 2025 @06:10AM (#42961245)
You lick boots
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by marxisttemp on Thursday February 06, 2025 @06:31AM (#42961364)
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by matwood on Thursday February 06, 2025 @07:59AM (#42961904)
I think it's ironic that people are up in arms about random posts on Reddit while many of those same people cheer at pardoning those who attacked the capital and brought actual violence on police officers. Will people letting off steam on Reddit lead to a violent insurrection?

The temperature is so high right now, and it's only continuing to rise because there seems to be zero accountability for what's happening whether it's pardons or Musk running unfettered through government accounts. Unfortunately, it's natural for people to keep escalating when they see no other avenue.

Re:Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed by jandrese on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:14AM (#42963822)
There is a certain point where the calls for calmness come across as "stop making noise about the coup in progress". People should be calling out the people blatantly breaking the law and undermining the foundations of society.