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Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by troelsSteegin on Sunday February 02, 2025 @03:36PM (#42911543)
https://doge.gov does not say anything about what the DOGE plan is, and https://www.usds.gov/ is not apparently up to date wrt DOGE. Is there something other than the Executive Order [0] that lays out concretely what DOGE intends to do? This group of engineers is doubtless skilled, but I don't seem them as the decision makers and planners here.

[0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/esta...

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by ahazred8ta on Sunday February 02, 2025 @04:10PM (#42911859)
We went through something similar in the 1960s with the Whiz Kids, young college graduates from the RAND corporation with no experience in government or the military. "But you have to obey us because we're so much smarter than you." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiz_Kids_(Department_of_Defen...
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by LastTrain on Sunday February 02, 2025 @10:05PM (#42914471)
That wasn't even remotely similar to what is happening now.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by KerrAvon on Monday February 03, 2025 @02:59PM (#42922169)
The Whiz Kids, for all their flaws, were duly and lawfully appointed. It wasn't this.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by ck2 on Sunday February 02, 2025 @05:13PM (#42912388)
Are they skilled? Or just arrogant and drunk on power?

Some of them most certainly could not pass US security clearance.

https://bsky.app/profile/jsweetli.bsky.social/post/3lh7nii7y...

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by ddalex on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:26AM (#42916120)
> doubtless skilled

Doubtful, you mean.

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by zzzeek on Monday February 03, 2025 @02:49PM (#42922060)
the plan is more specifically this right wing crypto idea called "the network state" - using technological means to bring down the Democratic state and replace it with a crypto-based oligarchy that serves big tech interests only:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyl171lyewo

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by throw0101c on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:00PM (#42922173)
See perhaps "The bro-ligarchs have a vision for the new Trump term":

> All of these men see themselves as the heroes or protagonists in their own sci-fi saga. And a key part of being a “technological superman” — or ubermensch, as the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche would say — is that you’re above the law. Common-sense morality doesn’t apply to you because you’re a superior being on a superior mission. Thiel, it should be noted, is a big Nietzsche fan, though his is an extremely selective reading of the philosopher’s work.

> The ubermensch ideology helps explain the broligarchs’ disturbing gender politics. “The ‘bro’ part of broligarch is not incidental to this — it’s built on this idea that not only are these guys superior, they are superior because they’re guys,” Harrington said.

[…]

> The so-called network state is “a fancy name for tech authoritarianism,” journalist Gil Duran, who has spent the past year reporting on these building projects, told me. “The idea is to build power over the long term by controlling money, politics, technology, and land.”

* https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/395646/trump-inauguration...

Also maybe "Why big tech turned right":

* https://www.vox.com/politics/397525/trump-big-tech-musk-bezo...

General right-wing plan:

* https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by zzzeek on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:12PM (#42922345)
here's Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan on X: "Whoever made the original graphic (of these kids that Musk told to hack into the machines) doesn’t understand the scale and speed of smart high IQ people who can program, and what they can do in a moment when intelligence now on infinite tap using LLMs"

https://x.com/garrytan/status/1886283334466302201

as though "dont worry everyone, these kids are really good coders!" has anything to do with it

the tech oligarchs know nothing about wisdom, integrity, rule of law, it's all a big joke beneath their superior brains

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by h197BQcV on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:26PM (#42922558)
That is why they only take from other people (music, PDFs, code, literature, papers) without ever creating anything themselves.

Musk is an exception in that he at least popularized and scaled production of the original Tesla inventors from whom he bought the company. SpaceX seems to be run by Gwynne Shotwell.

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by bilbo0s on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:30PM (#42922623)
Don’t need rule of law when you have LLMs!

/s

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by Cornbilly on Monday February 03, 2025 @05:06PM (#42923920)
These tech goofs trying to convince “the plebs” that they’re wizards that can cast magic.

It’d be more funny if people didn’t actually believe them.

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by sebmellen on Monday February 03, 2025 @07:09PM (#42925295)
It’s hilarious, I’ve never interacted with Garry Tan at all, my profile is as apolitical as you can get, and yet I’m blocked from him on X and on BlueSky.

I don’t know how any of these people can take themselves this seriously. If Claude et al. will be guiding national budget policy we’re in for interesting times…

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by zzzeek on Monday February 03, 2025 @07:32PM (#42925593)
yes he actually blocked me the other day on Bluesky as well, however I seem to be unblocked, so I edited my message to not mention that part.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by heurist on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:50AM (#42928541)
Hah. I'm a pretty good coder and have been accelerated with AI, but it's definitely not ready to make me capable of redesigning the US federal government.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by steve_adams_86 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @03:57AM (#42929927)
There is a real irony to how clueless he is about the complexity and vast sets of requirements these systems have. High IQs and programming are cool and all, but these systems are bigger than these kids.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by mkoryak on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:14PM (#42922372)
Nice, the $ logo is a 22.5kb 375x372 avif file resized to 48x48. That is efficient!
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by zelphirkalt on Monday February 03, 2025 @04:45PM (#42923641)
Only top engineers at work there. Pahhaha!
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by kelnos on Monday February 03, 2025 @03:15PM (#42922397)
Of course not. Getting all of this done requires overwhelming amounts of surprise. Trump signing a flood of executive orders is a part of this: it takes time to figure out what's going on with each one, and how to combat it. And in that time, the damage can already be done.

Musk and his coup team aren't really accountable to anyone but Trump, and have no direct legal authority. The way that they get things done is by threatening and steamrolling people, and gaining control of important functions (like the ability to put people on leave or fire them). All of this requires some amount of secrecy and chaos in order to pull off. If they were posting detailed plans on their website, it would make those plans harder to execute.

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by Nasrudith on Monday February 03, 2025 @04:52PM (#42923743)
Didn't they already do exactly that with Project 2025?
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by mrkeen on Monday February 03, 2025 @05:19PM (#42924099)
[https://doge.gov/]

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Feels like the Twitter transition again.

Hey remember when there was concern that he might not have time to effectively run Tesla and SpaceX. And then Twitter. And 12 kids. Or popping ketamine and playing Diablo 4 all night.

I guess he's got time to run the country too.

Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by Phelinofist on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @02:37AM (#42929314)
I'm also blocked. Is it some geo block perhaps? I'm from Germany
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by burgerrito on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:14PM (#42940590)
I'm from Indonesia and my access has been blocked too.
Re:The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Gov... by jxramos on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @03:42AM (#42945752)
I think they're posting their daily updates on their X channel https://x.com/DOGE