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Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by narrator on Sunday February 02, 2025 @08:56AM (#42908658)
One of the main tactics of woke is to take a word with a long intellectual history, prestige and generally agreed upon meaning and change its meaning to mean the opposite. In the commercial sphere this would be litigated as trademark infringement and trademark disparagement, as it is a deliberate attempt to confuse consumers, but in the intellectual sphere, this crime goes unpunished.

A recent example of a word they have redefined to mean its opposite would be the word "Woman." By redefining this word to mean its opposite, they use that new meaning to launch a whole societal transformation campaign by demanding everyone endorse their new meaning or be cancelled. They educate the next generation in the new meaning and create confusion and discord because they make the entire intellectual history of the western world mean something different or not make sense by this redefinition of commonly used words.

For those who'd like to go down this intellectual rabbit hole, because I'm not the one who came up with it, James Lindsay has pointed out that this is essentially the ancient mystical technique of "hermetic transmutation," where people believe that their mere thoughts can change reality.

Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by vladms on Sunday February 02, 2025 @09:20AM (#42908776)
Agreed upon? Or taught in a certain way?

From far away (Europe) I don't see a big difference between the multiple "fanatical" groups that I hear about in US that define one thing or another "their way" and everybody else's opinion it's wrong. And that covers a wide range of topics (like: religion, guns, transportation, gender, etc.)

And just because some people are fanatical on a topic, does not mean there are not huge issues around those topics. Just as an example on gender, the horrible violence that was (and probably) inflicted to women (extreme examples: Pelicot and Fritzl cases)

But sure, it is easier to argue on useless definitions (either for or against) that try to address root causes...

Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by harimau777 on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:02AM (#42909454)
I think you may be misunderstanding what's happening. The goal is not to change the meaning of words, it is to explore greater nuance in order to expand the ideas that people are able to consider.

In the case of woman, the recognition is that "woman" as commonly used conflates two separate ideas: The gender that someone was assigned at birth (which in the vast majority of cases means someone's biology) and the social constructs that define "woman" (e.g. dress, role in society, acceptable behavior, etc.).

Separating conflated ideas allows people to think in more detail since they can consider them separately.

Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by narrator on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:29AM (#42909640)
Make a brand new word then. Even if you want to add all these layers to societal interaction we can call people who want a different identity "Gender Identified Woman."

Don't confuse the meaning of the existing word and pretend it's necessary. That's another tactic is conflating categories. Usually there's some sympathetic category that is a tiny amount of people, like genuine at-birth hermaphrodites, and they argue about that while at the same time pretending all that stuff applies to men who want to be housed in women's prisons.

One thing that drives me nuts with this language stuff lately is how the word "Partner" came to mean romantic partner because people can't just be bothered to say "girlfriend" or "boyfriend" anymore. Now, when people introduce their "partner" in a context where it's ambiguous whether it's personal or business "partner" I have to wonder in which sense do they mean it.

Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by seizethegdgap on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:58AM (#42909848)
> Now, when people introduce their "partner" in a context where it's ambiguous whether it's personal or business "partner" I have to wonder in which sense do they mean it.

You could use the power of the spoken word to ask them directly. You can ask probing questions if you’re not comfortable being that direct.

Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by elygre on Sunday February 02, 2025 @01:42PM (#42910684)
Of course, the word girlfriend is already ambiguous. From Merriam-Wester: "1. a female friend 2. a frequent or regular female companion in a romantic or sexual relationship".
Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by kanbara on Sunday February 02, 2025 @01:57PM (#42910802)
you'd hate the german language where der/die Freund/in can be friend or romantic partner and is extremely commonplace in the language
Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by steele on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:22PM (#42910048)
If you believe woke is an agent with tactics, you're already boxing ghost boogeypersons in the land of make believe.
Re:CDC orders mass retraction of research across all science... by dang on Sunday February 02, 2025 @02:05PM (#42910862)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907079.