> fact checkVery intellect, much smart.
This hoax was pushed by Biden during debates in 2020, and during many of his speeches. This hoax was pushed by HR lady in the 2024 debate.
The "fine people" hoax is the hoax that, once revealed, causes all of the other of the other hoaxes, the hoaxes that are obvious hoaxes to high information people, to all come crashing down.
I see Trump the same way I see Bush and Obama. Whether I personally like them or not, I'm not going to participate in the lie.
Trump just pardoned the violent attackers of Jan6 who tried to overturn by force the result of the election. Trump is indeed a friend and an enabler of violent neo-nazi, fascistic, totalitarian, ennemies of democracy, and he is fine with it.
He let violent criminals out of jail. Unsurprisingly, they’re going on to commit crime. It’s wild how similarly the far left and right act when they’re given power; in an alternate universe, Chesa Boudin is pardoning them because abolish prisons or whatever.
Crime is too macro for an individual DA to have an effect. Chesa wasn't responsible for any increase or decrease, during his time nor after. Same for Trump's J6ers. They're not going to move the needle. Instead, mine is a micro argument: there are specific, preventable crimes one can trace to each of their actions. And those actions are remarkably similar in practical effect once you wipe away the dressing.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
It's a hoax man. Even Snopes (yes, fuckin' Snopes) fesses up to it being a hoax.
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> Trump just pardoned the
Different issue.
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> the violent attackers of Jan6 who tried to
Very few of them were actually violent. But the violent ones were pardoned to due to the way the courts handled it. I don't agree with pardoning the violent ones, but I don't find that reasoning unreasonable because I believe courts must be fair, even though I don't agree with it.
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> Trump is indeed a friend and an enabler of violent neo-nazi
You're writing this as someone who was foolish enough to fall for the "fine people" hoax. Just minutes after Trump said "fine people both sides", there is video of Trump explicitly stating "I am not talking about the neo-nazis and white supremacists, they should be condemned totally" -- as documented by many, but in particular Snopes, which the low-info crowd seems to find to be an "acceptable source" -- not that that should be necessary because the primary source, the raw video of that transcript in its entirety, already existed.
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Even very smart people are not too difficult to brainwash. Even very smart people can be naive enough to believe: "the news is real".
What makes you ignore the rest of reality?
If not for the hoax campaign, we could dismiss it as "a misquote".
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> What makes you ignore the rest of reality?
Such as? What are some specific examples that you feel need to be raised?
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Nonetheless, two wrongs do not make a right. If there are things Trump has done you think are horrible, and your perspective may be right, and even if your perspective is right, the "fine people" hoax campaign is not justifiable.
Edit: For reference, the above user edited their comment to include a question that was not present prior, then suggested I was ignoring their prompt.
They are acting in bad faith.
It's very disconcerting that HN has become the most visible and mainstream reservoir of chud discourse. These guys are here on every thread. Even Reddit of all places managed to extirpate them.
This account is a troll and should be banned from HN.
Edit: They edited their comment in this chain to race-bait after you didn't take the initial bait.
You have no ability to present an intellectual argument and are now calling for censorship to compensate. Absolutely pathetic.
And yes, I am actually black, so you're racist on top of it.
It's pathetic to race-bait and troll. I think trolls don't have a place on HN. Tolerance paradox and all that.
You can not substitute an argument of actual substance with a protest over procedure.
Someone else brought up race, not me, by calling me a "nazi". Furthermore, just like them, you have no right to deny me my lived experience as a black man.
At this point you need to pony up with an actual argument or just shut up because thus far we have seen nothing out of you on this thread but name-calling and racism -- you look like a fucking clown.
You, not he, brought up race by opining that a minority can't have authoritarian tenancies. He was calling either you or Trump a "chud", not a Nazi.
Then you attempted calling them a racist in the very same comment despite no one knowing your race before that comment. That is absurd. No one is denying your lived experience.
I challenged your comment regarding a "hoax" about Trump defending white supremacists in Charlottesville, as if your theory on that topic is proof that Trump isn't a defender and amplifier of the far right.
I said you "do not wish to engage with the very obvious daily horrible things he and his administration are saying and doing". Things like what the person above your comment listed:
>Trump just pardoned the violent attackers of Jan6 who tried to overturn by force the result of the election.
It's will continue to be pathetic that you assert people are racist by challenging the logic or content of your opinion, in a conversation where you brought it up. You look like... well, I won't stoop.
Don't worry, I won't edit this comment without making note of it.
Edited at T+60s to clarify two sentences.
I'm not going to ban you because it doesn't look like you've been doing this routinely, but you broke the site guidelines badly in this thread, and it has been a problem in the past (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39598850)
If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
I don't tend to back down when there is someone trying to destroy what this site is. Trolls are the worst.
Hey, once a year isn't so bad.
(It's difficult, I know, and I struggle with that myself. HN's "collapse thread" feature (the [-] on the comment link) is useful should conscious effort prove frail.)
By the way: > Don't be snarky. > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
So while it seems that I am ideologically much more aligned with you, I am still annoyed by the unecessary irony and uninteresting comment about whatever you think HN is/has become.
So I guess my question to you is what do you think is not working in the current system ? I am arguing that it's working fine: The half crazy person's comments are so faint I can't even read them, or [dead]
You have a point that the downvotes and flags do their work. That's pretty much banning. After they call a few more people homophobic slurs or insult their families, they'll probably be shadowbanned.
>On what criteria will you recognize bad actors?
Constant dodging of questions, shifting goalposts with aggressive language, personal insults, and so on. Signalled by being repeatedly downvoted or flagged for such behavior.
We're probably on a similar page, but I am slightly less concerned with censorship. Three week old accounts that have done little but troll have less "plot armor" than established accounts.