He never answers a question straight-on, and when called on it, edited a comment and said I didn't answer his question.

This account is a troll and should be banned from HN.

Edit: They edited their comment in this chain to race-bait after you didn't take the initial bait.

> This account is a troll and should be banned from HN.

You have no ability to present an intellectual argument and are now calling for censorship to compensate. Absolutely pathetic.

And yes, I am actually black, so you're racist on top of it.

It's pathetic to edit comments after-the-fact to change how a conversation looks to third parties.

It's pathetic to race-bait and troll. I think trolls don't have a place on HN. Tolerance paradox and all that.

The edit was like within 30 seconds of the original post. I didn't hide anything, I added more.

You can not substitute an argument of actual substance with a protest over procedure.

Someone else brought up race, not me, by calling me a "nazi". Furthermore, just like them, you have no right to deny me my lived experience as a black man.

At this point you need to pony up with an actual argument or just shut up because thus far we have seen nothing out of you on this thread but name-calling and racism -- you look like a fucking clown.

You edited without noting it, and then replied to me asking why I didn't answer a question that didn't exist when I commented.

You, not he, brought up race by opining that a minority can't have authoritarian tenancies. He was calling either you or Trump a "chud", not a Nazi.

Then you attempted calling them a racist in the very same comment despite no one knowing your race before that comment. That is absurd. No one is denying your lived experience.

I challenged your comment regarding a "hoax" about Trump defending white supremacists in Charlottesville, as if your theory on that topic is proof that Trump isn't a defender and amplifier of the far right.

I said you "do not wish to engage with the very obvious daily horrible things he and his administration are saying and doing". Things like what the person above your comment listed:

>Trump just pardoned the violent attackers of Jan6 who tried to overturn by force the result of the election.

It's will continue to be pathetic that you assert people are racist by challenging the logic or content of your opinion, in a conversation where you brought it up. You look like... well, I won't stoop.

Don't worry, I won't edit this comment without making note of it.

Edited at T+60s to clarify two sentences.

You're already outed as a racist man. There's nothing to talk about.

Seek help.

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Could you please not perpetuate flamewars here? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

I'm not going to ban you because it doesn't look like you've been doing this routinely, but you broke the site guidelines badly in this thread, and it has been a problem in the past (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39598850)

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

I know I got baited. That's why my comments got shorter and shorter once I was accused of fundamental hatred. I don't start a fight, but I'll finish it. As always, I appreciate your moderation even if I'm not always on the right side of it.

I don't tend to back down when there is someone trying to destroy what this site is. Trolls are the worst.

Hey, once a year isn't so bad.

Many fights are best finished by withdrawing.

(It's difficult, I know, and I struggle with that myself. HN's "collapse thread" feature (the [-] on the comment link) is useful should conscious effort prove frail.)

This is not how HN works. There are guidelines and if you fail them you get downvoted or flagged. The moderation is mostly decentralized.

By the way: > Don't be snarky. > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

So while it seems that I am ideologically much more aligned with you, I am still annoyed by the unecessary irony and uninteresting comment about whatever you think HN is/has become.

Sometimes, bad actors should not be allowed on the site.

Not allowed by whom ? On what criteria will you recognize bad actors ? It's not that I don't agree with the sentiment but moderation is a complex problem that has side effects (censorhip). It's like you are saying "There shouldn't be any homeless people", I agree but what is the exact solution ?

So I guess my question to you is what do you think is not working in the current system ? I am arguing that it's working fine: The half crazy person's comments are so faint I can't even read them, or [dead]

Not allowed by us, we, the community that doesn't trade in bad faith argument.

You have a point that the downvotes and flags do their work. That's pretty much banning. After they call a few more people homophobic slurs or insult their families, they'll probably be shadowbanned.

>On what criteria will you recognize bad actors?

Constant dodging of questions, shifting goalposts with aggressive language, personal insults, and so on. Signalled by being repeatedly downvoted or flagged for such behavior.

We're probably on a similar page, but I am slightly less concerned with censorship. Three week old accounts that have done little but troll have less "plot armor" than established accounts.