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Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by phyzome on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:05AM (#42909470)
So it's unreliable, doesn't have a backing theory demonstrating why it should be considered secure ("we can't figure out how to crack it, so it's uncrackable"), and requires manufacturing a physical object in order to work.

...why on earth would anyone find this compelling?

Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by GTP on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:02PM (#42909882)
Exactly. Above all, my concern is that, at least from the linked article, I don't see why an attacker wouldn't be able to train a neural network himself to then decrypt the data. Hopefully they addressed this point in the paper.
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by j2kun on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:02PM (#42909881)
> "we can't figure out how to crack it"

To be fair, this is the theory that all security guarantees boil down to (excluding the "so it's uncrackable" part)

Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by GTP on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:06PM (#42909913)
But in cryptography, you have a security claim that is based on the hardness of a well known mathematical probelm. So you know that breaking a certain scheme is as hard as solving that problem. If someone finds out how to solve such a problem efficiently the scheme is broken, but as long as no one has a solution the scheme is safe. Here it is not clear to me what is the hard problem that makes this scheme secure. Yes, you have light scattering in a random way, but they also showed that it is possible to train a neural network to get the data back. Why can't an attacker do the same?
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by beardedwizard on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:05PM (#42909896)
I would argue this extends to all systems and behaviors that aren't formally verified. Bugs notwithstanding, breaking current encryption is a mathematically backed concept. The issue is broken implementations.
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by bawolff on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:46PM (#42910247)
There is a difference between - some random dude who invented the scheme can't figure out how to crack it - and - the entire mathematical world has been trying to figure it out for the last 2200 years (since Eratosthenes) and still haven't.
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by lexicality on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:28AM (#42909631)
It has AI in the title!
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by ashoeafoot on Monday February 03, 2025 @01:55AM (#42915673)
Take my money, good sir and all the hopes of the oligarchs rest upon you stabilize and keeping going a society running out.

PS: If you dont return, at las return the wheelbarrow, do not worry much then its only paper.

Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by TechDebtDevin on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:04PM (#42909893)
Well we do manufacture TPMs..
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by 3eb7988a1663 on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:06AM (#42909477)

  ...After optimizing the experimental procedure and training the neural network, they showed that the neural network could accurately retrieve the encoded images 90-95% of the time. They say that this rate could be further improved with more extensive training of the neural network.
Ah yes, the lossy, sometimes-it-works kind of encryption.
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by sd9 on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:43AM (#42909748)
Seems more like compression? Or even just a cool trick?

Clearly it's not reliable or secure enough for encryption yet.

Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by varispeed on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:36PM (#42910161)
How long until someone who doesn't know it is uncrackable, cracks it?
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl... by Euphorbium on Sunday February 02, 2025 @02:03PM (#42910841)