Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl...
by phyzome on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:05AM
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So it's unreliable, doesn't have a backing theory demonstrating why it should be considered secure ("we can't figure out how to crack it, so it's uncrackable"), and requires manufacturing a physical object in order to work.
...why on earth would anyone find this compelling?
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl...
by GTP on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:02PM
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Exactly. Above all, my concern is that, at least from the linked article, I don't see why an attacker wouldn't be able to train a neural network himself to then decrypt the data. Hopefully they addressed this point in the paper.
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl...
by GTP on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:06PM
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But in cryptography, you have a security claim that is based on the hardness of a well known mathematical probelm. So you know that breaking a certain scheme is as hard as solving that problem. If someone finds out how to solve such a problem efficiently the scheme is broken, but as long as no one has a solution the scheme is safe. Here it is not clear to me what is the hard problem that makes this scheme secure. Yes, you have light scattering in a random way, but they also showed that it is possible to train a neural network to get the data back. Why can't an attacker do the same?
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl...
by beardedwizard on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:05PM
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I would argue this extends to all systems and behaviors that aren't formally verified. Bugs notwithstanding, breaking current encryption is a mathematically backed concept. The issue is broken implementations.
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl...
by bawolff on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:46PM
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There is a difference between - some random dude who invented the scheme can't figure out how to crack it - and - the entire mathematical world has been trying to figure it out for the last 2200 years (since Eratosthenes) and still haven't.
Re:Researchers combine holograms and AI to create uncrackabl...
by 3eb7988a1663 on Sunday February 02, 2025 @11:06AM
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...After optimizing the experimental procedure and training the neural network, they showed that the neural network could accurately retrieve the encoded images 90-95% of the time. They say that this rate could be further improved with more extensive training of the neural network.
Ah yes, the lossy, sometimes-it-works kind of encryption.
...why on earth would anyone find this compelling?
To be fair, this is the theory that all security guarantees boil down to (excluding the "so it's uncrackable" part)
PS: If you dont return, at las return the wheelbarrow, do not worry much then its only paper.
Clearly it's not reliable or secure enough for encryption yet.