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Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by jasoneckert on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:06AM (#42865713)
What I find the most comical about this is that the whole situation could be loosely summarized as "OpenAI is losing its job to AI."
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by mattgreenrocks on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:41AM (#42866269)
OpenAI should be excited that it has been freed of the tedious tasks of building AI and now they can focus on higher level and more creative things.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by pphysch on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:16PM (#42867939)
OpenAI should be, but OpenAI died a while ago
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by Sateeshm on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:03AM (#42866653)
> focus on higher level and more creative things.

But that's what OpenAI's costumers were supposed to do.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by jusonchan81 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:15AM (#42866847)
It’s sarcasm.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by rooroobooragool on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:17PM (#42867950)
I think Sateeshm was also applying a generous layer of sarcasm.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by JoshTko on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:22PM (#42868025)
I wish I could upvote this twice
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by munchler on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:36PM (#42868232)
Soon you’ll be freed of the tedious task of upvoting at all.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dankwizard on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:55PM (#42872984)
Reddit comment moment.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by rooroobooragool on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:19PM (#42867979)
This is really the top take in this thread. Why should OpenAI be any different than all the others they they've ripped off.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by zbshqoa on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:20AM (#42865930)
Realistically that's the actual headline. Only another AI can replace AI, pretty much like LLMs / Transformers have replaced "old" AI models in certain task (NLP, Sentiment Analysis, Translation etc) and research is in progress for other tasks as well performed by traditional models (personalization, forecasting, anomaly detection etc).

If there's a better AI, old AI will lose the job first.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by troyvit on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:43AM (#42867368)
> NLP, Sentiment Analysis, Translation etc

As somebody who got to work adjacent to some of these things for a long time, I've been wondering about this. Are LLMs and transformers actually better than these "old" models or is it more of an 80/20 thing where for a lot less work (on developers' behalf) LLMs can get 80% of the efficacy of these old models?

I ask because I worked for a company that had a related content engine back in 2008. It was a simple vector database with some bells and whistles. It didn't need a ton of compute, and GPUs certainly weren't what they are today, but it was pretty fast and worked pretty well too. Now it seems like you can get the same thing with a simple query but it takes a lot more coal to make it go. Is it better?

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by ang_cire on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:54AM (#42867584)
Yep, it's an 80/20 thing. Versatility over quality.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by zbshqoa on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:21PM (#42874455)
It's 80/20, but in some tasks it's much better (e.g. translation)

Nonetheless the fact that you can just change a bit the prompt to instruct the model to do what you want makes everything much faster.

Yes the trade-off is that you need GPUs to make it run, but that's why we have cloud

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by blantonl on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:45AM (#42866354)
Otherwise known as a race to the bottom
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by bwfan123 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:45AM (#42866364)
ha, the story is filled with ironies.

OpenAIs $200 closed-ai uppended by hedge-funds free side-project

Quant geeks outcompete overpaid silicon valley devs etc.

Basically, hubris gets its comeuppance which is a david vs goliath biblical archetype which is why this drama grips all of us.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by jeffreyq on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:38PM (#42868275)
seems ironic that the turns have tabled. "silicon valley devs" were the analogous "quant geeks" underdogs that unseated the ossified incumbents.

That said, I feel like "quant geeks" aren't quite underdogs compared to silicon valley devs. wdyt?

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by Keyframe on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:35AM (#42866168)
also, China doing in IP what it's better at and way more experienced than USA - stealing.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by rchaud on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:51AM (#42866446)
This kind of blithe commentary is 20 years out of date and reminiscent of 1970s criticisms of the Japanese car industry.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by Buttons840 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:04AM (#42866665)
I'm reminded of an Adam Savage video. He ordered an unusual vise from China, and he praised their culture where someone said "I want to build this strange vise that wont be super popular", and the boss said "cool, go do it". They built a thing that we would not build in America.

https://youtu.be/NUhrF0xkhhc?si=1WHWYZrhRmfOYO_y&t=1150 (it's about 2 minutes)

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by pphysch on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:22PM (#42868011)
The small biz scene in unfree communist China is ironically, astronomically better than here in US, where decades of regulatory capture and misleadership have made it difficult and extremely expensive to get off the ground while being protected by the law.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by Keyframe on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:33PM (#42869144)
gentle stroll through the aliexpress alleyway tells otherwise.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by t43562 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:50PM (#42868478)
Who says America is less good at it? Hasn't the US nicked a lot of other people's ideas at some point or other?
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by elzbardico on Friday January 31, 2025 @07:38AM (#42887068)
We stole a lot of scientists and equipment from Germany after WW2. That's a big part of how we get to the moon.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by nikeee on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @12:34PM (#42868215)
More like

"OpenAI is losing its job to open AI."