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Re:Introducing Operator by gyomu on Thursday January 23, 2025 @06:44PM (#42809209)
@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer).

It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

Re:Introducing Operator by throwaway314155 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @07:46PM (#42809515)
It's absurd to me that simply because it's Karpathy's account, everyone immediately changes their tune about posting "slop" AI summaries; something which is normally downvoted into oblivion on this site.

People go even further to downvote any criticism?? Pick a lane people. This will be business as usual in a week and Operator posts will go back to being thoroughly downvoted by then too.

Re:Introducing Operator by axus on Thursday January 23, 2025 @09:23PM (#42809967)
When the first person does it, it's hacking/testing. If lots of people do it, it's cargo-culting and riding coattails.
Re:Introducing Operator by throwaway314155 on Friday January 24, 2025 @05:31AM (#42811930)
i guess that's true.
Re:Introducing Operator by lostmsu on Friday January 24, 2025 @10:40AM (#42814150)
I think the difference here is more nuanced
Re:Introducing Operator by dialup_sounds on Thursday January 23, 2025 @08:26PM (#42809710)
As someone on my fifth or sixth HN account since it was called Startup News, I don't agree.

Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel.

Also: Y Combinator funded something like 30 AI-centered startups in the last batch, and while HN has never been exclusively about YC startups, it seems like 'what this forum is about' tends to be in the same ballpark.

Re:Introducing Operator by dragonwriter on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:14AM (#42810905)
> Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel

Reading comments by people who have used (in this threads case) Operator is different than reading comments written by Operator. You can have a preference for comments about use of the product that is the subject of a story without having a preference for comments written by the product that is the subject of a story.

Re:Introducing Operator by sumedh on Thursday January 23, 2025 @08:27PM (#42809723)
How are you even going to moderate such content, how will the website operator even know if its real human or an AI agent controlling a computer?
Re:Introducing Operator by dang on Thursday January 23, 2025 @10:49PM (#42810324)
So far HN users seem to be doing a pretty good job of flagging them.

Of course, the big question is what to do if/when they're smart enough to fool everybody.

Re:Introducing Operator by carbocation on Thursday January 23, 2025 @10:56PM (#42810373)
Offer a Turing award to the bot-trainer?
Re:Introducing Operator by saagarjha on Friday January 24, 2025 @05:48AM (#42811995)
Turns out Hacker News was actually the long play to train AGI.
Re:Introducing Operator by thurn on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:08AM (#42810885)
hm, wouldn't you almost by definition think you were doing a good job of flagging them at any level of actual effectiveness?
Re:Introducing Operator by dang on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:28AM (#42810973)
Not if I were seeing a bunch of them get through.
Re:Introducing Operator by edouard-harris on Friday January 24, 2025 @08:18AM (#42812763)
By definition, in that limit they'll be genuinely adding to the discourse so presumably they should stay.

Edit: More correctly, they'll be making contributions to the discourse that closely mimic the human distribution, so from a pure content perspective they won't be making the discourse any worse in the very short term.

Re:Introducing Operator by dang on Friday January 24, 2025 @03:42PM (#42816729)
I made a similar point a while ago (maybe last year) and there were some pretty good objections to it. Unfortunately I couldn't find that post when I looked for it last night!
Re:Introducing Operator by BrenBarn on Saturday January 25, 2025 @02:41PM (#42824102)
One obvious counterpoint is that using AI tools allows manipulation of the discussion in a similar way to using a bullhorn in a coffee shop, only without revealing that you're the one holding the bullhorn. 10,000 bots "contributing to the discourse" in accordance with prompts and parameters controlled by one or a few individuals is quite different from the genuine opinions of 10,000 actual humans, especially if anyone is trying to use the discussion to get a sense of what humans actually think.
Re:Introducing Operator by dang on Saturday January 25, 2025 @03:01PM (#42824302)
That's a good counterpoint and, IIRC, it's in addition to the other good counterpoints that I still can't find.
Re:Introducing Operator by smusamashah on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:30AM (#42810987)
That comment by karpathy was not made in bad faith. It's clearly an experiment done right here on HN so we can judge the tool ourselves.
Re:Introducing Operator by dang on Friday January 24, 2025 @03:24PM (#42816589)
Oh I totally agree! I thought about saying that but decided it would be confusing, but I guess it was also confusing not to.

What karpathy was doing is obviously in the spirit of the site [1], and HN has always been a spirit-of-the-law place, not a letter-of-the-law place [2].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....

Re:Introducing Operator by karaterobot on Friday January 24, 2025 @09:45AM (#42813471)
Would you consider updating the guidelines to this effect?
Re:Introducing Operator by dang on Friday January 24, 2025 @03:25PM (#42816596)
Yes, but I sort of feel like it's a corollary of the existing ones.
Re:Introducing Operator by wafflemaker on Friday January 24, 2025 @07:55AM (#42812640)
You literally get down voted to death for posting generated low quality answers. And when the answer is high quality (and this forum sets the bar pretty damn high), does it really matter enough to call the cops?
Re:Introducing Operator by entropi on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:52PM (#42815990)
I don't come here to "consume high quality content". I come here to engage in discussions with often tech-oriented yet quite diverse set of people. The distinction I think is quite an important one.

In my opinion Karpathy's generated answer was followed up by an insightful, actual comment so it is fine; as long as such things are the exception and not the rule.

Re:Introducing Operator by HDThoreaun on Friday January 24, 2025 @10:26AM (#42813995)
No