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Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by russli1993 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:38AM (#42754037)
Simply divest? Wow u make it sound like none issue. Tiktok is invented by Chinese entrepreneurs, businessmen and engineers. The IP, the branding, the technology is all their private assets. Let's do that to all US companies, Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Tesla, Boeing, Qualcomn, Intel, all of them must sell themselves to owners of every country they want to operate in, Indian, Brazilian, Germany, France, every country on the planet can own a piece of Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Tesla, Boeing, Qualcomn. Every country on the planet take notes, USA says this robbery and piracy in broad day light is perfectly legal and moral. So if you see a US company you like, just do the same thing, divest or ban. Owning these companies can help your country and citizens so much, can help you end poverty, homelessness, balance currency, elevate tax revenues, bring free health care and education to your citizens. I thought protection of private assets and respect for private property is the foundation of capitalism and what USA vehemently advocated for the past century, arguing against socialism and communism. The past 10 years of USA showed it robs/ban/controls private entities even harder than communists. Not even supposed communist China robs foreign entities assets, the furthest they go is 50% JVs that USA balks so hard about. And don't talk about China's situation on US internet companies. China gives you a list of requirements to operate in the country, if you meet it, you can operate. And they are technical requirements, not impossible to achieve and designed to disgust you. Bing, iCloud, AWS, Microsoft office azure, Tesla and their connected vehicles with cameras and GPS taking pictures of every Chinese street and building is available in China. Many US companies did exit Chinese market because the cost of regulatory adherence outweigh the finance gains, which may not be high due to local competition. But that is business decision, and USA can also negotiate with China to relax the regulation. There has been talk about enabling Tesla to bring FSD to China, now China should definitely not allow that because USA bans all cars made with Chinese software and hardware, China should reciprocate, banning all cars made with US hardware and software sold on Chinese roads. But I digress.

With Tiktok, US is designed to disgust, it is not giving you an option to comply. If you don't sell yourself, you lose all the business, if you sell yourself, you lose even more business because others will get invention you created. But since USA showed this is perfectly legal, let's use this on USA companies, sell yourself or get banned. Looks like you are perfectly okay with this. Facebook was worth $25B when 15 years ago, let's force Facebook to sell itself and pay Facebook $25B, it will worth $3T today, you still won, and original inventor, the business owners still get screwed. When Apple was weak and worth millions in 80s and 90s, force Apple to sell itself. Steve Jobs gets $100M. Today, you will have $4T brand, technology, ecosystem and company. Yep, this is totally moral and totally American values.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by wilg on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:48AM (#42754076)
what country are you a citizen of out of curiosity?
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by suraci on Sunday January 19, 2025 @02:48AM (#42754830)
doesn't seem like an American, as there's no American exceptionalism, more like a Chinese(or other 3rd-world country) liberal disillusioned after once believing in the old US...

We have a lot of people like that, who used to believe in America's free trade, democracy, fair competition, and innovation. I used to be one too

now things are changing...

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by SanjayMehta on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:35AM (#42757359)
He’s probably Chinese; a few weeks ago I remember seeing a similar long comment which referred to solar panels pricing in the context of women’s rights in China - which I thought was strange.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42556337

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by jazzyjackson on Sunday January 19, 2025 @03:01AM (#42754927)
Totally agree with you, I can't understand how laid back some people are with "all they had to do was sell..."

Terrible precedent for global trade, thing is Silicon Valley pulls hard for deregulation, and it's common wisdom here that regulating tech would be slowing down the only economic sector we have that's still growing, so we cannot write any rules that might make for a fair playing field, protect Americans from data leaks and disinformation or whatever, only tool we have is ban competition.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by ALittleLight on Sunday January 19, 2025 @01:33AM (#42754339)
Doesn't China actively block many American companies from doing business there?
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by muh_gradle on Sunday January 19, 2025 @02:28AM (#42754716)
Don't bother, it's always crickets on this one. China doesn't play by the rules in literally anything and "well that's too bad".
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by jazzyjackson on Sunday January 19, 2025 @02:56AM (#42754898)
From the comment you're replying to:

>> China gives you a list of requirements to operate in the country, if you meet it, you can operate.

Some US companies (like Google) choose not to operate there because they don't want to put up with harassment and intellectual property theft that comes with having offices on the mainland.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by stefan_ on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:42AM (#42756204)
The requirement being „majority owned by a Chinese company“ for your Chinese operations. Thanks for playing.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by jazzyjackson on Sunday January 19, 2025 @08:21AM (#42756726)
Huh, I didn't realize there were different rules for very specific types of media, TIL

However, Document No. 107 has not lifted restrictions on foreign investment in services related to information content security, such as public communities, instant messaging, search engines, news publishing, live streaming, short videos, and online games. Generative AI services, which also fall under ICP services, show no sign of opening up to foreign businesses. This reflects the Chinese government's cautious stance on opening internet information service businesses to foreign capital, given these services' relevance to China's ideological security and social stability.

https://www.geopolitechs.org/p/china-removes-foreign-ownersh...