This is a common criticism in these kinds of discussions, but no, protecting oneself from foreign influence and threats does not require a moral high-ground, just as locking your front door doesn't.

There is no good, just bad and kill-it-with-fire kind of evil. You choose bad you get a bad life. You choose the other you get literally hell. One government harvests and sells the organs of its healthy population[0][1][2] and the other makes some people feel sad.

Ironically, the "good" guys here allow you to talk shit on the internet about them while the "bad" guys would catch and harvest my organs someday for writing this comment.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... [1] https://chinatribunal.com/ [2] https://theowp.org/reports/china-is-forcibly-harvesting-orga...

The USA has more prisoners than China and far more per capita https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarce...

And funnily enough, just had a state try to pass a law making prisoners get to "choose" to donate organs for a reduced sentence https://apnews.com/article/organ-donation-massachusetts-stat...

But point is, no love for the CCP but this sort of jingoistic take sucks. China is not "literally hell"

For some reason I can't reply to "luddit3" below you. But he should check a list of countries that started the most wars and invasions in the last 150 years and which one tops it easily.

> countries that started the most wars and invasions in the last 150 years and which one tops it easily

What is the list? Does WWII count as one war, or do we could belligerents individually?

In preventing a country from being invaded, yes, we are.

Self-interest doesn't require moral justification.