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Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by whimsicalism on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @10:24AM (#42711912)
i think there are obvious reasons why bytedance would not want to spawn a US-based competitor and why a US only social media network would be ineffective.

this is exactly the same as what China does with their gfw, they allow american apps to divest and be owned by a chinese company.

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by suraci on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @10:52AM (#42712387)
Wrong

1. China asked American SNS companys to 'obey Chinese laws', which mostly refer to content control and data ownership, these companys refused, China didn'tforced them to sell 2. Are you sure to play the 'same as what China does'? hey, we are a totalitarian, authoritarian, dictatorial regime, are we same? think twice

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by kube-system on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @11:52AM (#42713447)
Heck, China forced Apple to divest iCloud to the government of Guizhou.
Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by suraci on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:10PM (#42713744)
it's about data ownership, part of data compliance, citizen data can not be pass to abroad, of course, it's also about content censorship

Microsoft and Tesla accepted the same rule

You can understand it as the US gov requiring TikTok's data must be hosted by Microsoft in the US

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by whimsicalism on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @10:57AM (#42712462)
1. Yes, China forced the sale of Uber China to Didi - this is well documented.

2. Did I say that? No. I am opposed to the tiktok ban

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by suraci on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @11:05AM (#42712605)
China forced the sale of Uber China to Didi - this is well documented

really? > https://www.bbc.com/news/36938812 > https://www.heritage.org/international-economies/commentary/...

Let me tell you a cruel fact - Uber is completely unable to compete with Didi. You have no idea how fierce the competition in this industry in China is.

Uber died before it grew up in China

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by whimsicalism on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @11:22AM (#42712913)
Uber got 33%+ market share.

From your article:

> If Uber had become a commercial success in China, Chinese authorities ultimately would have clamped down to protect their domestic competitors.

> firms that do occasionally find success often face headwinds from Chinese regulators who limit their access to the domestic market.

> Didi naturally had state-backed funding, receiving a significant cash infusion from China's large sovereign-wealth fund.

> "Uber China" sought local investors. The hope was that, with local investors, the Chinese operation would be spared some of the hamstringing restrictions typically imposed on foreign businesses.

China is well-known to have intense domestic favoritism. Not sure where the profit is in denying that, given your own sources seem to clearly state it and even name a number of channels through which the state puts their thumb on the scale, not just regulatory but also through financing.

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by suraci on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @11:51AM (#42713427)
You can ignore my following comments if this will make you feel better...

> *If* Uber had become a commercial success in China, Chinese authorities ultimately *would* have clamped down to protect their domestic competitors.

classic demonizing and loser's execuse

> firms that do occasionally find success often face headwinds from Chinese regulators who limit their access to the domestic market.

every other demestic companys face headwinds from Chinese regulators, just like I mentioned above, and Apple, Tesla, Google, Microsoft, they all in same situation, some of them couldn't handle this so they leaved, some stays

Also, DiDi once were banned more than 2 years by authorities, it survived

> Didi naturally had state-backed funding, receiving a significant cash infusion from China's large sovereign-wealth fund

The 'STATE-BACKED' is a typical word used by certain people, it's just some kind of gov investment funds, there're dozens and invested thousands private companys, it's a Socialism country, it's called socialism, what do you expect? Didi is not even a state-owned enterprise. And is this equals to "force to sell"?

> some of the hamstringing restrictions typically imposed on foreign businesses.

Bruh

> China is well-known to have intense domestic favoritism.

That's true, and? many Chinese people also have intense domestic favoritism

BTW, Apple is losing market share in China. However, take it easy, I don't think Apple will be sold to Huawei. Moreover, Apple is produced by Chinese and Indian, why bothered?

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Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by suraci on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:52PM (#42714438)
Ehh...yes?
Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by lenerdenator on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:46PM (#42714348)
If we played the same as China does, we'd be hacking Baidu through a vulnerability in a Microsoft web browser until they withdrew completely from the American market.
Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by scotty79 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @01:00PM (#42714577)
> If we played the same as China does, we'd be hacking Baidu through a vulnerability in a Microsoft web browser

We don't?

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by lenerdenator on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @01:42PM (#42715169)
With the goal of driving them out of the US?

I just typed https://www.baidu.com into my browser bar, hit enter, and their page loaded.

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by scotty79 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @03:52PM (#42716777)
Why throw out something hackable? Apparently they couldn't hack TikTok so they thrown them out.
Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by lenerdenator on Thursday January 16, 2025 @10:05AM (#42726216)
They probably could, but it's become such a pain in the ass, it's no longer worth it.

You can still go to the mobile web version; but that doesn't give the same level of access to devices and data that an app does.

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by amrocha on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:57PM (#42714525)
Have you heard of the NSA
Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by lenerdenator on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @01:43PM (#42715179)
I'm not saying we don't hack them.

I'm saying we don't hack them with the goal of driving them out of the American market, which is what happened to Google's PRC operations.

Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by protimewaster on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @10:05PM (#42720578)
We hacked Huawei and drove them out, but those were separate incidents. I'm not convinced it puts the US in a morally superior position, though.
Re:TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday by RestlessMind on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:56PM (#42714513)
2. The game can be slightly different. "hey, we are open by default. but if an authoritarian regimes wants to exploit our openness by marketing their apps while at the same time banning our apps from their market, then we will strike back".

paradox of intolerance and all that..