Great, so we have TikTok where we can access information that's being censored by the West, and Facebook to access information that's being censored by the East. What's the problem? Information wants to be free.

Not disagreeing, that's exactly my point, the govt wants to be able control the narrative

There are places in the west where you risk losing your job just by mentioning the ongoing genocide that is happening now in Gaza. I'm not defending the CCP in any way, it's just that power corrupts and abuse of power happens pretty much everywhere.

i feel that we overuse the word genocide nowadays, in a way that almost amounts to holocaust trivialization

Yep. The Chinese state is guilty of a number of things in Xinjiang, but genocide is not one of them.

fair. they are guilty of arresting specific ethnicity for the crime of gathering in groups, and targetting men and forbidding men to have children, and forcing women to take han husbands to dilute their ethnicity. but not genocide.

if this is referring to Gaza, many Holocaust experts are willing to call what's happening there a genocide

i think i’m pretty clearly referring to Xinjiang.

if the Rohingya genocide is a genocide, then I can see the case for Gaza (the UN definition of genocide is quite broad) - but still feel that there should be a word distinguishing the stuff that happened in the Holocaust or the Rwandan genocide from less systemic killings occurring in the background of conflict. A lot of the power of the word “genocide” comes from the implicit comparison to the Holocaust, but none of the events we are discussing really come all that close barring Rwanda.

Yeah when the Palestinians say they want to murder all the Jews that's what genocide is. When there are no Jewish people in Palestine because they killed them all, that's what genocide is. If people didn't hate Jews and support terrorism, Palestinians wouldn't be dying. When Arabs are allowed to vote, participate in government, and join the military, that's the opposite of what genocide is.

Have you ever wondered re: genocide in xinjiang is just another lie produced by the US gov?

No, of course, but that's exactly where the fun lies.

... genocide denial is fun?

checking ignorant comments is fun

To be honest, this is my primary motivation for browsing HN.