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Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by busterarm on Monday January 06, 2025 @12:42PM (#42612870)
Agreed. Trying to read some of the comments in this thread while assuming the best intentions is nearly impossible.

Of course it's always with the best of intentions that peoples' rights get stripped away from them.

Though since COVID I'm hardly surprised anymore when serious people expose themselves to be unabashedly authoritarian.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by lp0_on_fire on Monday January 06, 2025 @01:58PM (#42614018)
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - CS Lewis.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by jknoepfler on Monday January 06, 2025 @01:59PM (#42614040)
You do not, and never will, have a right to be a vector for a lethal virus in a crowded urban area. If that's where you draw the line on authoritarianism, I think your values are probably deeply confused.

If by some accident of foolish politics we established a government in which we had such a right, that right would immediately conflict with and require reconciliation with the right to life, and require adjudication in whatever body we establish to handle contradictory rights.

I have no idea how something that is intrinsically legally, ethically, and morally grey has been translated into black and white "muh rights" talk so consistently and without any apparent attempt at reflection.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by mardifoufs on Monday January 06, 2025 @02:13PM (#42614240)
So, I guess you wanted to use emergency powers on the protestors of June 2020 too?
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by segasaturn on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:10PM (#42615083)
The BLM protestors in 2020 were cracked down on by the police, often violently, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by mardifoufs on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:21PM (#42615239)
Yes, I know since I was part of the protests back then. But there's an incredibly big difference between cracking down on a protest and invoking emergency powers.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by busterarm on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:35PM (#42615408)
Where? In my city the government paid to have Black Lives Matter written on the streets in paint and then arrested people for driving over it...
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by segasaturn on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:54PM (#42615672)
Symbolic actions like painting "BLM" on a street are cute and all, but that doesn't mean they supported the protests. In fact, the cities such as New York and Chicago had some of the most violent suppression of protests by their police forces, despite loudly claiming to support BLM. Actions ultimately speak louder than words.

Read for yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incide...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests#United_S...

> At least 200 cities in the U.S. had imposed curfews by early June 2020, while more than 30 states and Washington, D.C., activated over 96,000 National Guard and State Guard service members.[33][34][35][36] The deployment constituted the largest military operation other than war in U.S. history.[37]

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by E39M5S62 on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:01PM (#42615753)
That seems pretty outlandish. Are you able to provide a source for that?
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by labster on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:24PM (#42615273)
In America, we didn’t need emergency powers to shoot BLM protesters. Or Civil Rights protesters, or the unarmed veterans of the Bonus Army, or union members — historically it’s fine to shoot protesters.

Conservatives are just snowflakes because it happened to their guys just one time.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by bitwize on Monday January 06, 2025 @02:20PM (#42614337)
BLM protestors were masking and social distancing. They were doing the right things wrt COVID.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by mardifoufs on Monday January 06, 2025 @02:32PM (#42614535)
Okay, so if I show you an example of a protest with people that weren't masking or social distancing, you'd be in favor of using emergency powers against protestors that were protesting for racial justice?
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by baggy_trough on Monday January 06, 2025 @02:21PM (#42614358)
Hilarious! Not the ones I saw.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by slaw on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:05PM (#42615806)
Did you miss? /s
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by nradov on Monday January 06, 2025 @02:11PM (#42614217)
No one has the right to be protected against infectious disease. Such a right has never existed. Freedom of movement is more important than safety. People who are afraid of a minor respiratory virus with a >99% survival rate are free to hide out at home or whatever.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by razakel on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:17PM (#42615957)
>Freedom of movement is more important than safety.

Tell that to Typhoid Mary.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:16PM (#42615171)
Authoritarianism is trying to topple an elected government through force and illegal behaviour.

Which is what the "trucker convoy" was.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by slackfan on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:20PM (#42615227)
Per Miriam Webster:

1: of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority

2: of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people

It was quite pointedly, exactly neither of these. Words have meanings.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:23PM (#42615260)
What glib nonsense. We had authoritarian right wing protesters -- who don't believe in democracy -- trying to topple our elected government. Imposing their will on the people in Ottawa for weeks, threatening violence and disturbing the peace.

i.e. Not constitutionally responsible to the people.

Words have meaning, as do actions, sir, and you're choose to ignore both because of your partisan blind spots.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by slackfan on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:36PM (#42615429)
Alternatively, people took up grievance with their government in a peaceful manner, no matter your choice to ignore (and twist) meanings, actions, and outcomes because of your partisan blind spots.
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:43PM (#42615521)
You might present that as an alternative, but it would be... how shall I say it... a lie?

There was no "peaceful" presentation of grievance. There was weeks of civil disobedience and actual acts of violence.

The twisted part, again, is the ideologically biased game you're playing.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by slackfan on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:46PM (#42615550)
Proof of actual acts of non-police violence please.

Reminder that blocked traffic and hurt feelings are not violence, otherwise we'd need to classify every climate action as unbearably and irrevocably violent.

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:48PM (#42615584)
Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by slackfan on Monday January 06, 2025 @03:53PM (#42615669)
>https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/ottawa-police-laid-... No actual violence, just "threats of".

>https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.6400768 Obstruction/assault of police officer. IE, altercation with police. Expected at a protest.

>https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/officers-issued-multiple-violation... One man charged with assault. You finally found one, congratulations. No details whether it was protest related, or just happened to be in the area. Could have been a provocation. Which would also be expected at a large protest.

None of these articles paint a picture of untoward violence any worse than what goes on at a normal pop/rock concert.

But I suppose pearl clutchers are gonna clutch (and not read their own articles).

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:01PM (#42615752)
Ok give me your address someone (not me) will pull up in front of your house and lay on their horn all night. For a couple weeks.

Will you press charges and expect the police to respond?

Also when your wife leaves the house, someone (not me) will follow her and harass her for wearing a mask.

Then an ambulance will come by to pick up your elderly relative and someone will make sure my truck is in front of it, stopping it from getting to the hospital, because the hospital is a place that poisons people with COVID jabs.

This is all ok and peaceful behaviour, to you? Right?

Tell me how you feel about the January 6th event, while you're at it. How about the Munich Beer Hall Putsch?

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Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:31PM (#42616108)
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Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by marcusverus on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:23PM (#42616036)
> There was no "peaceful" presentation of grievance. There was weeks of civil disobedience and actual acts of violence.

Partisans love to play this game, where they judge a large group of people by the worst possible interpretation of the actions of a tiny subset of them.

For a protest which some estimates say peaked at ~18,000, this was the resulting set of "violent" charges:

"12 charges of assaulting a peace officer; six charges of assault; three charges of assault or intimidation with a weapon; five charges of possessing a weapon dangerous to public peace; two charges of carrying a concealed weapon; one charge of possessing a restricted firearm; and four charges of uttering threats of death or bodily harm." [0]

Obviously this is not acceptable, but the idea that the protesters as a group were "authoritarians" because 0.01% of them got violent is hysterical nonsense.

[0] https://archive.is/8VYvr#selection-4877.151-4877.502

Re:Justin Trudeau announces resignation as Canadian prime mi... by cmrdporcupine on Monday January 06, 2025 @04:33PM (#42616141)
Charges were low because the police refused to do their job. This is stated on record.

(Also... Partisan hardly describes me. I've never voted Liberal in my life and have been opposed to this PM since day one. Ask any of my annoyed coworkers and friends.)