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Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by gedy on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @12:48AM (#42556714)
> I want legacy EU/US automakers to pull their heads out of their a* and compete

Honestly, what can they do? Labor is very expensive here, and would be loads of pushback for a fully automated assembly line. Plus safety, taxes, and other regulations would push the price up.

Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by chefandy on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @12:56AM (#42556756)
Isn’t most of the manufacturing already done in countries with far cheaper labor costs? It seems like a design problem, to me.
Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by kube-system on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @01:16AM (#42556822)
The big 3 don't outsource to anywhere much cheaper than Canada and Mexico for most of the stuff they sell here.
Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by chefandy on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @01:50AM (#42564399)
Mexico is a lot cheaper though, no?
Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by AngryData on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @02:11AM (#42557059)
Labor costs are a fraction of the value of a vehicle, they can't explain vehicles costing over twice or thrice as much as overseas competitors.
Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by bpodgursky on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @12:57AM (#42556758)
US manufacturers can get within 20% cost difference which tariffs can ameliorate. That's fine. A few extra environmental and labor protections won't break everything. TSMC managed it.

But right now it's... 100% or 200%, or infinity since they simply have no models for some form factors. That's just rank incompetence.

Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by est on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @01:21AM (#42556845)
> Labor is very expensive here

Sandy Munro said labor counts 10%~15% of the cost. It's the labor efficiency that matters.

Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by arcticbull on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @01:50AM (#42556964)
Energy costs are generally lower in the US and it almost entirely balances out.
Re:BYD is automaker with the most R&D staff in the world by yard2010 on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @12:57AM (#42556762)
He means "treat workers like slaves, deny basic human rights, etc." if I'm not mistaken.