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Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by genman on Sunday December 29, 2024 @10:46PM (#42546251)
Some people are trying to argue like Palestinian Arabs are a separate nation. This kind of argument is not any different than arguing that Germans that were living in Czechia were a separate nation. As post war European history demonstrated - the solution for a long lasting peace is clearly separated nation states - this removes most of the reasons for tensions. Jews will not accept any "solution" that would eliminate them from their indigenous land in Judea and Samaria. I believe that they can give up Gaza or some other parts of their land, but not this. This leaves only one real option here.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by anon7000 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @11:40PM (#42546536)
It is similarly the indigenous land of the Palestinians.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by genman on Monday December 30, 2024 @05:24AM (#42548090)
Like Americans and Canadians are not indigenous people of Northern America and Australians are not indigenous people of Australia, they are not. Arabs in Palestine are descendants of colonizers and settlers enabled by the colonial powers.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by 4gotunameagain on Monday December 30, 2024 @07:19AM (#42548647)

  > Arabs in Palestine are descendants of colonizers and settlers enabled by the colonial powers.  
So the creation of a state by western colonial powers and the migration of jews from all over the world there does not make them descendants of colonizers and settlers, because they identify with some people mentioned in a two thousand year old book which says they lived there.

Oh and they didn't even speak the same language, they had to revive it.

Right. Makes sense.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by genman on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:21AM (#42572187)
Their home was taken away by The Western Colonial Power - Rome. Jews are the only nation that was crushed by Rome, but survived without their land, all other such nations have perished. Restoring their homeland on their indigenous land was the only morally rightful thing to do when the descendants of Rome recaptured this territory.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by 4gotunameagain on Sunday January 05, 2025 @08:12AM (#42601511)
I don't know what you are in need of more, history lessons or reasoning training.

Even if we ignore the fact that claims to land almost TWO THOUSAND years later are insane, even if we ignore the fact that the evidence is a two thousand year old book, claiming that modern day russian and hodgepodge jews from all over europe are descendants of the original inhabitants of the Levant is simply hilarious.

To create a national identity they even had to resurrect a dead language.

And without the UK creating the state of Israel purely as a western colony for geopolitical reasons, this would not be a discussion and so many lives would've been spared.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by genman on Saturday January 11, 2025 @05:28PM (#42669457)
You could have just written that you hate Jews. Could have been shorter. If we inherited the Rome, we also inherited its moral debts. The uniqueness of the situation of Jews doesn't invalidate our moral obligations. Brits could have claimed the Palestine for themselves - it was a Roman Christian territory after all, they chose to do the only moral thing imaginable - restoration of Jewish homeland in Palestine.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by hiddencost on Sunday December 29, 2024 @11:00PM (#42546337)
Liar.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by aprilthird2021 on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:35AM (#42546770)
But Israel has created the need for Palestinian Arabs to have a separate nation by leaving them nationless by defining their nation as belonging to a specific ethnicity. Anyone can tell you Israel cannot have an Arab majority. That's fundamentally missing from your example. There were no stateless Germans living in Czechia
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by genman on Monday December 30, 2024 @05:46AM (#42548193)
The problem with Germans in Czechia was their hostility toward Czech. This heightened with the Nazi occupation. They also didn't become "nationless" as they got German citizenship. The everlasting Palestinian refugee crisis is especially created by UN by creating the UNRWA and inheritable Palestinian refugee status instead of demanding other Arab states to give them citizenship. It is not a problem created by Israel, they just have to deal with it somehow.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by aprilthird2021 on Monday December 30, 2024 @09:02AM (#42549328)
Amazing how Israel defenders claim Arab states should just be forced to give Palestinians citizenship, yet they justify the existence of Israel by saying "Well, no other country would give them citizenship nor were any safe for them, so they needed their own". That logic applies to the Palestinians right now, but you are too blind to ever put yourself in their shoes.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by genman on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:31AM (#42572233)
Remind me an Arab state where Arabs are constantly persecuted for being an Arab. It has NEVER been about citizenship (and yes, many countries have very strictly limited immigration of Jews before and after creation of Israel), it has always been about constant persecution of Jews. When Arabs lost to Jews in Israel Independence War then they started to punish and oppress Jews living in Arab states. Were these Jews responsible by any means? No, their only fault was being a Jew. And it's just only a single example.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by aprilthird2021 on Friday January 03, 2025 @02:56PM (#42588921)
You said Arab states should just be demanded to give Palestinians citizenship.

You think Israel needs to exist as a Jewish majority state because other countries did not accept Jewish refugees (e.g. the US) even though those same countries could and would do so now (at least as much as the Arab countries would for Palestinians).

So just think about that hypocrisy. Either being hated and rejected as refugees justifies a state of a group's own, or it doesn't.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by genman on Saturday January 04, 2025 @04:29AM (#42593672)
I believe that Jewish state should exist. Jews have the right to have the same level of protections that other nations are entitled to have.

If they do not form a majority in that state, it's not a Jewish state anymore, in that state Jews no longer have the protection of the state, they instead are forced to search protection from the state.

It's simple and clear as that. It is also becoming more and more clear that your motivation is simply hatred toward Jews that you are trying to hide with these logical fallacies and simply lying.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by defrost on Saturday January 04, 2025 @04:36AM (#42593700)
> Remind me an Arab state where Arabs are constantly persecuted for being an Arab.

Palestine, particularly the Occupied Palestinian Territory, would be the obvious answer.

The footage going back many decades of their treatment by "neighbours" is savage.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by genman on Saturday January 04, 2025 @06:15AM (#42594046)
You have to expand this comment a little. By now it's not clear what Arab state you are talking about.