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Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by willtemperley on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:58AM (#42315400)
Exactly and the fact that, for example, West and Central Africa are waking up [1] to the fact that France has been scamming them out of untold billions, probably trillions is going to shift power significantly.

This is happening now. Senegal are following Chad in cutting ties with French military.

[1] https://theconversation.com/cfa-franc-conditions-are-ripe-fo...

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by willtemperley on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:26AM (#42315548)
Downvotes without comment are pathetic. Step up and make an argument. It's real, it's happening and Europe needs to wake up.
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by readthenotes1 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @04:39AM (#42315931)
Because of the travle game(1) I learned that it was/is common for the leader of the former French colony to send hundreds of thousands in bribes to the president of France...

(1) Travle posted here on hn months ago, but unfortunately a Webapp that downloads so I can't give you a url

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by spiderfarmer on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @05:48AM (#42316287)
The economy is not a zero sum game. If other countries are doing well, all the better.
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by Cumpiler69 on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @06:10AM (#42316392)
>The economy is not a zero sum game.

Most parts of the global economy are. If you're selling cars for example, there's a fixed amount of drivers on the road you can sell cars to, so if you're VW, you're now competing with cheaper cars from Asia for those same drivers.

You can't create new drivers out of thin air to expand the market demand for cars. Once the market is saturated, without having any moat, you enter in a race to the bottom.

And that's what Germany's economy is discovering right now and why Europe's share of global GDP has been declining for the past 20 years.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by spiderfarmer on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @11:23AM (#42319032)
If other countries are doing better, they will want to buy status symbols as well. This is how Germany profited from China developing in the first place. As long as markets continue to develop, chances will continue to appear.

Also, we shouldn't care about Europe's share of global GDP. We should care about how the poor people in our countries are doing. Like I said. We should maintain or improve our quality of life. Producing cars is just a means to an end.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by Cumpiler69 on Thursday December 05, 2024 @03:25AM (#42326133)
You need money to take care.of the poor in your country. Where do you think that money comes from?
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Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by jandrese on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:53PM (#42320662)
This is exactly where manufacturers like SAIC, BYD, and Dongfeng are winning. Building cheaper cars than were previously available and selling them in countries where "premium" brands like BMW, Toyota, Ford, Fiat, Volvo, GM, etc... don't try very hard to compete.

Head to any country without a domestic auto industry to protect and see what new cars people are importing. Sure there will be some rich people buying the brands you recognize, but call an UberX and they're going to show up in a Chinese brand you've never heard of. Or some zombie brand like MG.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by speeder on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:48PM (#42320602)
Except when you charge sky high taxes you can't lower your prices to have access to that wider market, can you?
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by programjames on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:40PM (#42321809)
I think what you're really getting at is that the more efficient a market it, the closer to the Pareto frontier it is, and things become competitive instead of cooperative there.
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by tmnvix on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:40PM (#42320525)
When you boil it all down, the economy mostly is about ownership and use of resources, and those are naturally limited. So if we're talking about doing well in terms of having greater claims to the world's resources, then it essentially is zero sum.
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by HPsquared on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:59PM (#42320730)
The primary sector is only a very small part of the economy though. Prices for raw materials are low because it's easy to mine etc vast quantities nowadays and there is a lot of competition in global commodities. Most minerals are found in a LOT of places all over the world.
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by tmnvix on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:24PM (#42321022)
Land. Total value of it is about 25 trillion in the US alone I believe. If I'm not wrong, globally stock markets are around 100 trillion (and that will include a lot of assets in the form of land).
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by HPsquared on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:37PM (#42321179)
25 trillion is just 1 year worth of GDP. With interest rates of 5%, that's only further evidence for my point.

Edit: as an exercise, consider the land value of a typical office, and compare to the annual income of the part of the company based there, and the personal income of the employees who work there.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by FrustratedMonky on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @01:45PM (#42320576)
"zero sum game"

As others allude to, natural resources are zero sum, they are a finite resource, once they are gone, they are gone.

So if an imperial power is mining resources from a 'colony', that 'colony' is being stripped of economic potential with very little to show for it.

They do not both gain economically, like some allude to when maybe it is two countries sharing manufactured goods.

Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by SkyBelow on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:06PM (#42320811)
Zero sum game means for someone to benefit someone else must be worse off, but a positive sum game doesn't mean that everyone must benefit. It only opens the possibility that the total sum can go up, but that can still be because every time one player gets 10 points another player loses 3.
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by jumping_frog on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:31PM (#42321092)
Many people don't realise. America has been exporting inflation around the world while China has been exporting deflation through cheaper goods. China is the main reason for World's prosperity.
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by ativzzz on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @04:21PM (#42322167)
And China was able to scale up the mass manufacturing of cheap goods because rich western companies dumped their money into China to capitalize that manufacturing. It's all interrelated
Re:Why America's economy is soaring ahead of its rivals by jumping_frog on Thursday December 05, 2024 @02:17AM (#42325798)
Euro dollar system just printed that money out of thin air. It's the Chinese products which are providing value backing to that printed money