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Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by jcims on Monday November 25, 2024 @09:54AM (#42236747)
Apologies for the ADHD induced tangent. Has anyone else noticed that regular little party balloons seem to have a passive noise cancelling effect? If you bring them close to your ear there's a zone of 'dead air' when they are maybe an inch away. My theory was that there's something in passing through the rubber envelope that creates a phase delay or inversion, but it could just all be in my head lol.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by LikelyClueless on Monday November 25, 2024 @10:43AM (#42237190)
it maybe acting as an acoustic lens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLBmWF9Xo10

edit: Steve Mould's video "I Made a Lens, But for Sound" demonstrates how balloons filled with gasses of different density than the surrounding air, act as a lens on sound waves. Helium filled balloons will scatter sound because the helium is less dense than air. He shows how a balloon filled with carbon dioxide can focus the sound.

Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by 0xbadcafebee on Monday November 25, 2024 @11:43AM (#42237716)
Somebody wrote a paper on it in 2008: https://physics.byu.edu/docs/publication/644

  A balloon filled with a gas that has a different sound speed than that of air has been used as an
  acoustic lens. One purpose of the lens is to show refraction of sound waves in an analogy to
  geometric optics. We discuss the physics of the balloon lens demonstration. To determine the
  validity of a gas-filled balloon as a classroom demonstration of an acoustic lens and to understand
  the corresponding phenomena, its physics is considered analytically, numerically, and
  experimentally. Our results show that although a geometric analogy is a good first-order
  approximation, scattering theory is required to fully understand the observed phenomena. Thus this
  demonstration can be adapted to a wide range of students, from those learning the basic principles
  of refraction to advanced students studying scattering
Here's Harvard demonstrating it too: https://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/presentations/...
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by hammock on Monday November 25, 2024 @02:56PM (#42239582)
So would a wall of helium balloons work as a sound dampener? Or perhaps diffuser? A lot cheaper than fiberboard & foam
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by ParacelsusOfEgg on Monday November 25, 2024 @03:10PM (#42239707)
I doubt it would be cheaper than foam, but this is similar to gas filled windows. Argon or Krypton gas is pumped in-between the window panes to provide another layer of insulation.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by hammock on Monday November 25, 2024 @03:11PM (#42239713)
Makes sense
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by kurthr on Monday November 25, 2024 @04:33PM (#42240416)
At the old Exploratorium in the Palace of Fine Arts there was an exhibit that had a large 3-4m balloon filled with something heavy (Argon or maybe SF6?) and two points on the floor at the foci of the balloon. You could whisper at one focus and hear it easily at the other. I think it has been replaced with a more durable pair of concrete parabolic reflectors with similar effects.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by jcims on Monday November 25, 2024 @07:28PM (#42241506)
Oh dang! I bet that's it! Nice find, thank you!
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by Brian_K_White on Monday November 25, 2024 @11:25AM (#42237540)
Do other smooth surface spherical objects have the same effect?

Sound reflects off smooth surfaces. The ballon is probably just acting like any simple physical obstruction, because the surface does a lot all by itself even if theres almost no substance.

The air inside the ballon is also at a different density than outside, without helium, because of the elastic tension in the rubber. The air inside is always slightly compressed vs outside. I have no idea how much the two densities must differ to make the accoustic lense effect. I din't think it's this, just everyone seemed to be overlooking that even plain air will also have a different density.

Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by chipsa on Monday November 25, 2024 @02:46PM (#42239502)
Density does not affect the speed of sound of a gas. Temperature and molar mass does. So increasing the pressure of a given composition of gas won’t change anything, assuming you can bring the temp back down. Helium is obviously a different molar mass. But also dry air vs moist air can have an effect.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by codazoda on Monday November 25, 2024 @10:42AM (#42237174)
My wife makes balloon arches and I've never noticed but this sounds fascinating. Maybe I'll get her to work, for "science". :P

Note: Her balloons are not typically helium filled, so the other users question about air/helium might make a difference.

Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by Tade0 on Monday November 25, 2024 @10:42AM (#42237184)
The latex from which the balloon is made is a decent soundproofing material, so what you're hearing is likely just that.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by tastyfreeze on Monday November 25, 2024 @10:40AM (#42237156)
Having filled a room with balloons, this is very noticeable. It also make heating the room difficult.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by roflmaostc on Monday November 25, 2024 @03:12PM (#42239719)
heating difficult? Why would that be?
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by tastyfreeze on Monday November 25, 2024 @09:13PM (#42241969)
Pretty much kills convection. Each balloon is like an insulation cell.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by tasty_freeze on Monday November 25, 2024 @03:42PM (#42239969)
Holy cow, I read your comment and thought, "Wait, I didn't write that!" Nice to meet you, doppleganger.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by benplumley on Monday November 25, 2024 @10:40AM (#42237161)
Could it be an interaction between static electricity from the balloon and tiny elements in the ear?
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by elicash on Monday November 25, 2024 @10:00AM (#42236806)
Do you see a difference regardless of helium or air? I assume from your description that it has to be inflated to work.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by bithive123 on Monday November 25, 2024 @02:47PM (#42239513)
Helium is apparently great for soundproofing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxOzpPJbnTI (a great demonstration of sound suppressing properties of helium)

I am a light sleeper and would love to use it somehow in my bedroom, but keeping it contained is tricky.

Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by jareklupinski on Monday November 25, 2024 @09:58AM (#42236796)
im curious about replicating this
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by tasty_freeze on Monday November 25, 2024 @10:24AM (#42237027)
It seems like the effect would be very frequency specific.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by metalman on Monday November 25, 2024 @12:33PM (#42238175)
just the humidity level in the gas used to fill a balloon is going to have a significant effect on its properties, human breath will have more c02 that air and s higher humidity. Any canned pressurised gas, will be pure with zero humidity. Heating exchange works through convection cells, the greater the number and the smaller they are, the lower covective heat transfer will happen, so filling a room with balloons, and you have made foam, and at that point the acoustical properties must be pronounced fun stuff The activity of silk working as a sound absorber is its property of bieng one of(the) best heat conductive substances, and as a basic fact, all sound is eventualy turned into heat The silk is presumably working to convert the mechanicsl motioninduced by sound into heat, quickly disapating it and releasing it to the air.
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by amarcheschi on Monday November 25, 2024 @12:58PM (#42238419)
Definitely
Re:Noise-Canceling Single-Layer Woven Silk and Cotton Fabric by hinkley on Monday November 25, 2024 @03:13PM (#42239726)
Balloon hats for autistic and sensitive people.