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Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by zarzavat on Friday November 22, 2024 @06:20AM (#42212895)
An LLM is essentially playing blindfold chess if it just gets the moves and not the position. You have to be fairly good to never make illegal moves in blindfold.
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by pera on Friday November 22, 2024 @07:24AM (#42213254)
A chat conversation where every single move is written down and accessible at any time is not the same as blindfold chess.
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by gwd on Friday November 22, 2024 @08:10AM (#42213543)
OK, but the LLM is still playing without a board to look at, except what's "in its head". How often would 1800 ELO chess players make illegal moves when playing only using chess notation over chat, with no board to look at?

What might be interesting is to see if there was some sort of prompt the LLM could use to help itself; e.g., "After repeating the entire game up until this point, describe relevant strategic and tactical aspects of the current board state, and then choose a move."

Another thing that's interesting is the 1800 ELO cut-off of the training data. If the cut-off were 2000, or 2200, would that improve the results?

Or, if you included training data but labeled with the player's ELO, could you request play at a specific ELO? Being able to play against a 1400 ELO computer that made the kind of mistakes a 1400 ELO human would make would be amazing.

Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by wingmanjd on Friday November 22, 2024 @10:11AM (#42214419)
MaiaChess [1] supposedly plays at a specific ELO, making similar mistakes a human would make at those levels.

It looks like they have 3 public bots on lichess.org: 1100, 1500, and 1900

[1] https://www.maiachess.com/

Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by zbyforgotp on Friday November 22, 2024 @08:07AM (#42213526)
You can make it available to the player and I suspect it wouldn’t change the outcomes.
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by lukeschlather on Friday November 22, 2024 @08:33AM (#42213707)
The LLM can't refer to notes, it is just relying on its memory of what input tokens it had.
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by sebzim4500 on Friday November 22, 2024 @06:14PM (#42218152)
Sure but I'm better than 99% of people at chess and if I was playing under those conditions there is a high chance I would make an illegal move.
Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by fmbb on Friday November 22, 2024 @07:01AM (#42213117)
Does it not always have a list of all the moves in the game always at hand in the prompt?

You have to give this human the same log of the game to refer to.

Re:OK, I can partly explain the LLM chess weirdness now by xg15 on Friday November 22, 2024 @07:15AM (#42213200)
I think even then it would still be blindfold chess, because humans do a lot of "pattern matching" on the actual board state in front of them. If you only have the moves, you have to reconstruct this board state in your head.