I think it's pretty clear that the NordStream explosion was a joint US-Russia-Ukraine operation.

Hell, throw sweden in there too: https://omni.se/marinen-pa-plats-dagarna-fore-explosionerna/...

Nope, it was definitely Poland trying to maximise on their gas connection to Norway.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe

It was clearly Norway trying to sell more gas to Poland.

…wait a second, didn’t Agatha Christie write a book about this?!

Where is evidence that the US and Russia were involved?

> it sounds like you've probably never seen this - tanker Minerva Julie (belonging to Putin's friends) traveling through the Baltic Sea suddenly decided to hang around for a week right at the same place where couple weeks later Nord Stream exploded: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/16/23/68797949-11868975...

Just look upthread from my comment.

I sense someone hasn't actually read the thread they're replying to.

Clearly NordStream was destroyed in a drunken escapade on a rented yacht.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explos...

And Soros was the mastermind.

I'm waiting for Nazis and Jews to be blamed because Godwin's law after all.

The US destroyed the Nordstream pipeline for certain and Sy Hersh has the evidence.

It is more than probable that this incident indicates possible collusion between the Chinese and Russian governments to sabotage European interests. The simplest fix is for Sweden and Denmark to ban Chinese and Russian ships from their territorial waters until they deliver accountable assurances that this sort of behavior will not happen again. Until then, they must be stopped and European countries must play hardball because that's the only language these criminals understand.

Sy Hersh's wild fantasy has already been debunked. He might have a few pieces of the story right but many of his claims are contradicted by reliable open source intelligence. This is what always happens when a journalist works without an editor and rushes to publish before doing through fact checking.

A common goal seems to unite people of all nationalities.

It’s like the UN of explosions!

Not sure about joint, might have been half a dozen sides all independently trying to blow it up at the same time. Only way to settle it will be elevating nordstream blowup to an Olympic competition. Will it be summer Olympics (because water) or winter Olympics (because gas supply is so much more exciting in winter)?

It happened in late September… that’s a tricky one, because there’s no Fall Olympics. I think Summer already has enough water sports, so let’s give this one to Winter.

Yes, of course Putin decided to sabotage the largest infrastructure investment in his country's history, that he worked for a decade to get built.

Putin sabotaged the 3 centuries of Russia’s progress. The pipeline is just a noise here.

>he worked for a decade to get built

that is sweet of you. I just imagine Putin himself welding under water. Not the billions dollars steal by his childhood buddies what typically such Russian megaprojects are.

It's probable the US and possibly Norway did it under cover of BALTOPS 22.

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the...

Snopes only offers FUD but not a single contradiction or refutation of any of Sy Hersh's reporting or claims other than it boils down to "it relies on a single source". Sometimes, in secret operations, that's the reality. There exist genuine anonymous sources who cannot be revealed themselves. Part of the principle of benefit-of-the-doubt is trusting that Sy Hersh isn't merely looking for a quick payday to sellout his journalistic integrity for a few dollars and that he isn't an easily-fooled novice when it comes to doing due-diligence on sources and facts. It's mostly a disrespectful hit-piece lacking in evidence. With all likelihood, like the identity of Deep Throat, the truth will come out once the source retires and write a book about it.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/10/hersh-nord-stream-sab...

If it weren't Sy Hersh, this might be more believable. The guy has been putting some distance between himself and reality for over a decade now.

(Could it be true? Maybe. IDK. No dog in that particular fight. But if you, as an anonymous source, go to Sy Hersh, you're an idiot or don't want large numbers of people to believe what you're saying. Occam's razor suggests the former)

Yup - he's a genuine tragedy.

So another Aaron Maté?

From what I know of the guy, I can't see mentioning the two in the same sentence.

Hersh's (good) works were truly monumental. I'm not aware of anything that Maté has brought to the table that would be even remotely comparable. And unlike Hersh (who for many years enjoyed a reputation seemingly beyond reproach), Maté seems to have started shooting himself in the foot pretty soon after he became widely known.

> Putin sabotaged the 3 centuries of Russia’s progress.

What a farcical depiction of the world. There is more to Russia than Putin's opposition to the west.

>There is more to Russia than Putin's opposition to the west.

definitely. That "more" is the backwater Grand Duchy of Moscow how it was before Peter The Great.

As much as I'd like to blithely believe you actually agree with me, who gives a damn about muscovites, particularly from more than 400 years ago? and what bearing does this have on our conversation?

the 3 centuries of progress started by Peter The Great - importing European values, educated people and technology, science and education - made that Grand Duchy of Moscow into the, in various times in various aspects, great country of Russia (Russian Empire, USSR). Peter The Great "opened windows" into Europe and to Caucasus (for example in the military expedition of 1724 Peter The Great signed treaty with the Armenian dukes). Putin had been actively reversing that process - under him Russia rejected European values, kicked out or suppressed many educated people, and the Russian tech, science and education is going straight downhill. Putin "closed the European and Caucasus windows". Russia is quickly returning back to that state of the backwater Grand Duchy of Moscow.

Putin is hardly the first, or the hundredth, or the hundredth-thousandth russian to agonize between asian and european influences on russian culture.

Secondly, education is not a "european" value, as much as the west would like to claim it.

They have done this twice before. Russia weaponizes its energy. That has been the pattern.

Russia Georgia Energy Crisis (2006)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_...

Turkmenistan (2009)

https://www.rferl.org/a/Pipeline_Explosion_Stokes_Tensions_B...