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Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by baq on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @12:05PM (#42185662)
> They are essential to build any modern system and applications. Yet, those are also (mostly) no longer self-funding products.

so, an utility.

create a (partially?) state-owned steward with a legislated mandate to develop the browser, self-funded via extra tax on digital goods and services.

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by changoplatanero on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @12:15PM (#42185808)
Currently, talented engineers flock to google to contribute their skills to making the best web browser. My concern for a publicly owned utility is that the top talent won't want to work there.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by astrange on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @12:42PM (#42186138)
Many of them have left Google (and competitors) and work for a consulting firm called Igalia that contributes to all browser engines.

https://www.igalia.com/technology/browsers

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by kergonath on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @01:43PM (#42186776)
> Currently, talented engineers flock to google to contribute their skills to making the best web browser.

I don’t think these engineers have the right incentives, and their interest is not aligned with mine. I don’t really care what they do to Chrome and their efforts benefit me only indirectly. I am also not convinced by the "best browser" thing, even using it every day on my office computer. So, meh. I don’t care too much either way but I won’t lose anything if Google has to spin it off.

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by neodymiumphish on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @06:08PM (#42189042)
Agreed! I was on Arc for a while and really enjoyed it (obviously Chromium-based), but have found that both Orion and Safari are phenomenal choices! I don’t see any reason to switch back, although I will admit that I keep Chrome around in case I need/want to cast content to a Chromecast-enabled device (until I find an inexpensive alternative to that).
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by eqvinox on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @10:15AM (#42194591)
This may have been the case 10 years ago; it isn't anymore. The writing's on the wall on Google going downhill pretty fast.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by marcyb5st on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @12:21PM (#42185882)
The way governments fuck up basically anything (with very few exceptions) IT related I would say no. Personal example: my name is Marcello and I had troubles applying for a permit online because names can't contain musical instruments (Cello in this case).

Create a consortium or interested private entities but let's not give such an important piece of technology to governments where meritocracy is non-existent (also based on personal experiences).

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by baq on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @01:01PM (#42186360)
I generally agree, I don't want this to be government-owned but since it can't be funded privately and is of great public value an utility-like contract would be in order. I don't see it happening with at least initially a stake from the government (maybe I'm wrong, will gladly be!)
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by RHSeeger on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @02:48PM (#42187368)
My experience is that utilities don't innovate at all. In fact, the do their best to get the government to give them funding for innovation ("you know, because we love people") and then just... don't actually do what the money was for.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by lenerdenator on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @01:05PM (#42186403)
> The way governments fuck up basically anything (with very few exceptions) IT related I would say no.

Just wait until you have to justify IT expenditure to a for-profit corporation that isn't solely focused on technology.

Government screws things up because it's (by design) slow. Business screws things up because f*ck your needs, we need to get a check to a retiree who never even worked here.

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by Ferret7446 on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @03:19AM (#42191780)
Free market competition sorts that out right quick.

Either your business is spending the economically optimal amount on IT or you're running at a net deficit disadvantage.

Note that the economically optimal amount may not be what people want or expect, which is why in general we rely on (mostly) free markets and not centralized human planning like the USSR.

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by lenerdenator on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @01:19PM (#42196693)
Free market competition does not sort it out right quick, particularly in an economy where capital has consolidated as much value as they have through an oligopoly.

The problem with this is that people think that the net deficit disadvantage matters.

It doesn't. Companies are now owned by shareholders that are set up to not have to care about that company within a fairly short period of time. They're not owned by people who have any pride in "winning" that market or an existential threat to their finances if things go poorly. Most publicly-traded shares of companies on stock exchanges are owned by pension and retirement funds, and the person at the head of that fund has exactly one job: make money for the members. If that means gutting the company they hold shares in like a fish, while simultaneously setting up to exit the position, that's what that means. The company's net deficit disadvantage is not the fund's net deficit disadvantage, and that's by design.

Now, that has massive economic consequences for the people who are at the company (and, y'know, actually do the work), and for customers who relied on the product or service, but the fund has made money. Whether its members spend it on anything that will create more economic value over time is another matter. For example, fast-rising homeowners insurance rates in places in the Southeastern US that have been popular with retirees over the last few decades would indicate that they aren't spending it wisely, but, hey.

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by scarface_74 on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @03:09PM (#42187569)
You really trust the government to fund a browser without content interference?
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by dboreham on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @03:27PM (#42187737)
Quick note that the first browsers were government funded.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by scarface_74 on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @08:19PM (#42189895)
And at the time, so few people were on the internet, the government didn’t care about it.

But even then one party in the government wanted to defund PBS for being too liberal