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Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by PapaPalpatine on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @09:45AM (#42183966)
> Textbook monopolistic price gouging

So they’re a monopoly because you can only buy Apple laptops from them?

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by Saline9515 on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @10:19AM (#42184357)
Yes they are a monopoly on the MacOS hardware market, which explains this kind of extractive behavior.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by baggy_trough on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @10:29AM (#42184525)
That's not a monopoly.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by Saline9515 on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @10:35AM (#42184624)
Yes it is, they are the only supplier on the market for MacOS hardware. In the market for Linux or Windows, hardware is priced at a competitive level.

You may argue that the relevant market is for "computers" as a whole, however it can be argued that bundling hardware and software to charge high prices is a classic monopoly behavior nonetheless.

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by DrBenCarson on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @11:23AM (#42185183)
Companies cannot be forced to sell their operating systems distinct from hardware if they choose not to. That's a ridiculous expectation. There is no market for macOS, only Macs, and that market is the broader PC market, which Apple is nowhere near monopoly power

Saying Apple has a "macOS hardware" monopoly is like saying Dyson has a "Dyson motor monopoly"

Companies get to choose what their products are, full stop

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by tristan957 on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @01:46AM (#42191352)
> Companies cannot be forced to sell their operating systems distinct from hardware if they choose not to.

Microsoft was forced to unbundle IE, so why would this not be possible?

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by consteval on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @10:45AM (#42184734)
It is, for that particular market. In the market of MacOS computers, there is only one manufacturer.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by meursault on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @11:23AM (#42185182)
MacOS is a brand that Apple owns, so that makes sense? It’s like saying in the market of Tesla cars there is only one manufacturer.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by consteval on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @02:40PM (#42187280)
MacOS is also an operating system or a platform. Tesla isn't really a platform.

But... funny you brought up Tesla, because Tesla also had this exact problem! Tesla had the supercharging network, which they own and manufacture. But superchargers aren't just a product, they're a platform.

Tesla had a monopoly on superchargers, until they pre-emptively opened up the network and open sourced the connector. If they hadn't, IMO it was extremely likely they would've been forced, eventually.

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by DrBenCarson on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @11:24AM (#42185193)
"WHY ISN'T TOYOTA MAKING CIVICS?!"

This is ridiculous

Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by consteval on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @02:41PM (#42187295)
More like, "why does the software I'm required to use mean there's only one hardware manufacturer I can buy from?" Or, "why does the part I need to repair my tractor only get provided by one manufacturer?"
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by hightrix on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @12:37PM (#42186070)
By this logic, Ferrari is a monopoly.
Re:DOJ will push Google to sell off Chrome by paulddraper on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @02:12PM (#42187008)
Apple makes Apple hardware, yes.

I also have some information about the wetness of water.