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Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by reacharavindh on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:17AM (#42113978)
I wonder if it’ll be normalised in the future to live in a place like Barcelona and travel to a place like London once a week for two or three days for work and then go back to live in Barcelona. Perhaps a hostel like place in London to crash after work + Pub in those 3 work days, while enjoying a nice comfy house and local culture in Barcelona for the rest of the week..
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by forgotoldacc on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:32AM (#42114067)
> while enjoying a nice comfy house and local culture in Barcelona for the rest of the week..

Kind of hard to have any local culture when everyone local is pushed out by rich elites from another country who fly to commute and can afford to have two homes in two countries. AirBNB, "nomads", and the likes are city killers.

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by wink on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @07:26AM (#42114982)
I get your sentiment but I can think of so many exceptions. I've seen people here in Germany splitting their time between tiny flat near workplace for <500 EUR during the week and (whatever bigger, better, often inherited) in the countryside.

Does not mean you're rich per se. Not poor, sure. Also yes, you said fly in, but there's really no difference if they fly in or go to their weekend house on Thursday or Friday by car, they're not here. I think the main point is the "is the person actually living there or visiting twice per year", because I think that is killing neighborhoods (if people talk to each other, not the case here in my building).

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by tinyspacewizard on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:33AM (#42114076)
Brexit made this far less likely - but perhaps people in France, Germany, Spain, etc. could do this.
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by barceloni99 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:25AM (#42114030)
We don't need this kind of travellers.

Stay in your country, thanks.

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by atemerev on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:31AM (#42114060)
You have no say in it. All cities are open for everyone who have the legal right to go there and spend money.
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by forgotoldacc on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:35AM (#42114088)
That poster does have a say in it. They can vote for politicians who'll ban it. And if things boil over and their voices aren't heard, riots are very common in continental Europe. Particularly when flagrant wealth divides are involved.

Talking down like that to locals really fans the flames of the latter solution. Probably not good to do it.

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by rounce on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:18AM (#42114292)
Are riots really "very common" in continental Europe or is that just a trope?
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by atemerev on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:21AM (#42114312)
There are some. There was recently an antisemitic riot in Amsterdam. Police ended it quickly however. There are also some organized protests (including protests against tourism in Barcelona, but I wouldn't call these "riots"). I think their prevalence is about the same as in the US.
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by atemerev on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:02AM (#42114214)
Ban what? City-scale tourism and immigration? How? Passport controls on the city borders? Walls? We are not at this stage yet.

If you live in a nice city (and Barcelona is a great city, truly a world's treasure), it attracts tourists, by definition. I don't think anything can be done about that (except maybe ban AirBnB and introduce hotel tax -- but they will just live in places nearby and drive in by cars). You can also of course make your city less nice (by riots, crime, graffiti, trash, whatever), but this is shooting oneself in a foot.

The "problem" has no solution. Great cities are attractive, people want to go there, and have the legal right to.

Locals can do things to regulate tourism by economic means, but you can't say "don't come", except on state level. The city is not your property.

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:22AM (#42114315)
I don't know why you think that. Some cities (Venice for example) are already implementing controls to limit demand. Turn the political heat up and it can happen anywhere.
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by cinntaile on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:57AM (#42114826)
They're not banning tourists. Just charging them. Big difference.
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by maeil on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @08:06AM (#42115185)
If they can charge $1, they can charge $x where x is high enough to make it an effective ban.
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by atemerev on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @08:52AM (#42115448)
Venice is unique, it is an island with a single bridge connecting it to mainland. It is easy to put a toll booth there. And at this point, it is more a city-wide museum than a living city anyway, the money will go to maintenance. The regulation is not there because of the protests of the residents, there are not many remaining.

Other cities would require a wall.

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @11:39AM (#42117057)
>Other cities would require a wall.

No they wouldn't. Just higher fees on hotel rooms or congestions charges for cars. It's possible to reduce the numbers visiting any city.

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by atemerev on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:09PM (#42117342)
These are fine, though don’t help much and bad for local economy and prosperity (tourists bring money and buy food and things from local businesses which employ local people and pay local taxes). “You can’t come here” is not fine, and thankfully infeasible.

The same logic should also work for states; people, however, are irrational in this regard.

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by tonyedgecombe on Friday November 15, 2024 @08:59AM (#42146994)
>“You can’t come here” is not fine, and thankfully infeasible.

If a city feels its culture or inhabitants quality of life is being adversely affected by tourism then it is fine to control the numbers.

If you look at places like Venice part of the criticism was the hordes of people arriving that don't spend any money. They bring packed lunches and just clog the place up. There are plenty of products and services that manage demand by increasing prices, I can't see why these places should be any different.

Luckily it is feasible.

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by lifestyleguru on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:56AM (#42114481)
You will not sleep cheaply in London, forget about it. Housing and train prices in London blew up every budgeting into some absurd dimension.
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by defrost on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:01AM (#42114513)
Used to be a few cheap options . . .

    at the Twopenny Hangover, the lodgers sit in a row on a bench; there is a rope in front of them, and they lean on this as though leaning over a fence. A man, humorously called the valet, cuts the rope at five in the morning.
~ George Orwell, Down and Out in Paris and London (1933)

Perhaps apocryphal. ( https://mikedashhistory.com/2021/05/19/the-twopenny-hangover... )

Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by badpun on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:36AM (#42114093)
Maybe it could be normal for a while, but eventually we'll start running out of oil, which will make flying expensive.
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by abenga on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @07:23AM (#42114966)
It's Europe. You can take the train, right?
Re:Cheaper to rent in Barcelona and commute to London by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:18AM (#42114294)
We are creating far bigger problems than running out of oil.