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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by itsthecourier on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:03AM (#42105555)
This is Taiwan saying: if I gave you this tech now, how do I know you will be coming to help were I be invaded?

We need to be irreplaceable to be protected

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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by jamaicanindian on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:19AM (#42105618)
It is all about trade and Blackrock, see Ukraine. US meddling in geopolitical shit they shouldn't, while US is bad at minding their own business.
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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by itsthecourier on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:38AM (#42105723)
Cooperating with Netherlands was hard, improved a lot with Biden, but now it will suffer again

Check "Focus: the ASML way", Biden administration fixed lots of Trump mishaps, and now an encore of mistakes is coming in January

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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by randomcarbloke on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:18AM (#42105614)
Taiwan is giving Donald a lot of credit in thinking he will understand the significance of this move.
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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by xiphias2 on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:31AM (#42105673)
He understands it, he has much more tech people around him than 8 years ago (his second largest donor just purchased 100k GPUs).
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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by jonplackett on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:07AM (#42105576)
It’s also saying don’t worry we will give you this new tech very soon (as soon as we have something much much better which will then be non-exportable).
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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by itsthecourier on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:37AM (#42105715)
Exactly, they comply, on their terms
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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by squarefoot on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:33AM (#42105686)
Very likely, yes. And before that, should Trump stop helping Ukraine, that could be seen by China as a sign that they can do what they want with Taiwan, just as withdrawing from Afghanistan was probably seen by Putin as being given carte blanche wrt invading Ukraine.
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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by screye on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:46AM (#42105765)
Ukraine was a show of power from the US. Economically, it's irrelevant.

Taiwan has the entire semiconductor industry by the neck. Big difference.

If TSMC wasn't essential, the definitely would not intervene in an official capacity. TSMC is the only thing stopping a PRC China invasion.

There are no ifs and buts here. It's clear as day.

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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by Urahandystar on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:44AM (#42105757)
Withdrawing from Afganistan had no impact on Putins decision to invade Ukraine. It was planned years in advance but Pompeo's decision to invite them into Nato was the trigger that made it inevitable.
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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by hagbard_c on Monday November 11, 2024 @05:38AM (#42106082)
It is more likely that Biden's gaffe in saying that a 'moderate incursion' into Ukraine would not lead to repercussions [1] in combination with the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan gave Putin the incentive to invade. The push by some [2 - do notice the date, 2008] to get Ukraine to join NATO most likely did play a role in some way but then again there was a safety guarantee in place for Ukraine in return for them turning over soviet nuclear weaponry to Russia.

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/20/white-hous...

[2] https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-from-sen...

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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by aguaviva on Monday November 11, 2024 @10:21AM (#42107759)
Except in regard to the first trigger (Biden's gaffe) -- there's just not much logic there, being as it came rather late in the game (Jan 2022), whereas the decision to invade had essentially been made several months back (before Putin started moving his 170k troops into place).

But we can definitely see the precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan as being a much greater factor.

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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by hagbard_c on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @04:02AM (#42124243)
One thing is clear above all: countries which have nuclear weapons or the capacity to build them do well to never, ever give up that capacity no matter which promises are made in return for such a move. This does not bode well for attempts at non-proliferation and it is likely that the number of 'nuclear powers' will only grow, not diminish. If Ukraine had not given up its nukes it is doubtful whether Russia would have invaded, even if it remains unclear whether Ukraine could actually have used the devices.
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Re:TSMC cannot make 2nm chips abroad now: MOEA by aguaviva on Monday November 11, 2024 @10:29AM (#42107814)
It was planned years in advance but Pompeo's decision to invite them into Nato was the trigger that made it inevitable.

Except there was no such decision, it isn't Pompeo's to make anyway, and no such invitation to Ukraine has ever been offered.

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