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Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by fsckboy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:08PM (#42072945)
TL;DR. this imho is the interesting heart of the article:

they proposed that when Asian cockroaches were transported along the trade routes from south and southwest Asia into Europe, this species could not establish persistent populations. Without local success, they were hardly noted by anybody. Only a few survivors that found ways to live within structures could make it through the cold European winters, and over time these survivors evolved into the German cockroach. The species was therefore truly European.

went to work testing the hypothesis by sequencing genetic data from German cockroaches in many parts of the world, as well as Asian cockroaches and other relatives. Last month they published the results of this work. The new data showed something a little different from the urban Europe hypothesis.

B. germanica didn't originate in Germany or elsewhere in Europe as a new species and later spread throughout other parts of the world. Island southeast Asia, Ethiopia, and China all had diversity of B. germanica that was as old as in Europe. Every one of these populations came from common ancestors that shared a history of drift and adaptation around 2100 years long. Before this, those ancestors diverged from the Asian cockroach, B. asahinai.

The German cockroach deserves to be widely known as an example of rapid evolution of a new species. Not only does it inhabit environments where few insects survive, its environments didn't even exist before a few thousand years ago.

Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by trhway on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:03AM (#42073571)
>rapid evolution of a new species. Not only does it inhabit environments where few insects survive, its environments didn't even exist before a few thousand years ago.

the selection pressure which produced the starting population - these were the ones who survived long travels along the trade routes while hiding in the human cargo and after that survived in the new environment (new climate, vegetation, etc) of the destination.

Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by setopt on Thursday November 07, 2024 @02:27AM (#42074392)
Wait, it spread 2100 years ago across basically the “known world”? Sounds like Silk Road Cockroach might have been a more apt name than German cockroach.
Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by Archelaos on Thursday November 07, 2024 @02:55AM (#42074536)
That reminds me of the "Spanish flu", which should better be renamed "USA flu" -- until science later identifies another land of origin. But seriously: It is not uncommon that a term starts its career as a description, but petrifies as a label later, when it is too late to change it besides better knowledge. My favourite example is "oxygen", which literally means "acidifier". Lavoisier coined the term, because he wrongly thought that oxygen was part of all acids.
Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by robotnikman on Thursday November 07, 2024 @06:52PM (#42082509)
And this reminds me of Syphilis and it's various names

From wikipedia:

>The English, the Germans, and the Italians called it "the French disease", while the French referred to it as the "Neapolitan disease". The Dutch called it the "Spanish/Castilian disease".[113] To the Turks it was known as the "Christian disease", whilst in India, the Hindus and Muslims named the disease after each other.[

Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by thaumasiotes on Thursday November 07, 2024 @02:53AM (#42074524)
"Island southeast Asia" isn't close to the silk road.
Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by p00dles on Thursday November 07, 2024 @06:34AM (#42075763)
Could also be the "iesus Christus" cockroach.
Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by jamaicanindian on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:55AM (#42076654)
Lets call it the Arab cockroach then.
Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by setopt on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:58AM (#42085889)
The Arab expansion was ~1400 years ago, not ~2100 years ago.
Re:The evolutionary mystery of the German cockroach by looofooo0 on Thursday November 07, 2024 @07:27AM (#42076038)
I wonder how Ectobius vittiventris is fitting into this.