> fascists have come to power in the past, or they are just into fascism and prefer that kind of thing.

This, right here, has been the focal point of Dem supporters everywhere - doubling down on the name-calling.

I seriously doubt that more than half the voters are homophobic, misogynistic fascists, but calling them that only stops them from engaging, it doesn't magically cause them to rethink their position and switch their vote.

I guess there is no group of people that trump hasn’t name called (dems, gays, hispanics, blacks, you name it, etc.).

It should’ve been disqualifying when president publicly mocks and physically parodies disabled journalist instead of answering god damn questions.

Taking high road didn’t help in 2016, wouldn’t have helped now.

But this trend is obviously not only in USA. Some political groups and their voters don’t care what is said, and other political group must upstand the highest moral standards.

> I guess there is no group of people that trump hasn’t name called (dems, gays, hispanics, blacks, you name it, etc.).

There are a few groups not there, and those won Trump the election, and Democrats has name called those groups. If Democrats didn't demonize those people then maybe Trump would have lost.

Trump got a larger share of the hispanic vote than in 2020. I'm not convinced that voters really care that much about being insulted on the whole. If you go through the archives, which parts of Trump's voter base haven't been insulted by him at one time or another?

Indeed. Mexicans, hispanics in general are insulted by him and his followers constantly, but it seems that this group brought the victory to him.

Who trump hasn’t insulted? billionaires[0] and saudis?

[0] though even Bezos is an exception.

> Who trump hasn’t insulted? billionaires[0] and saudis?

Did Trump insult white men? You see Democrats say white men are the problem all the time, I never see Trump or his supporters say that.

>You see Democrats say white men are the problem all the time

Be serious. You might for some reason think that this is their underlying message, but they don't say this. They even chose an old white man as their nominee, for goodness' sake.

So these people care more about what other people call them than how their nation is governed?

> So these people care more about what other people call them than how their nation is governed?

When it is the people governing them, that's a perfectly rational decision - why would someone who views me with contempt govern me fairly?

You're right, but boy does it suck when antifa has to not only fight to win, but take the moral high ground and baby the potential fascists so they don't become actual fascists.

Antifa are cosplayers. They would get their bussies blown out in a real fight.

It goes both ways though. Taking the high road doesn’t seem to work either.

@whoitwas The point of this comment was that not all Republican voters are MAGA.

If you support and vote for a fascist you are a fascist.

It's not name calling, it's descriptive and neutral.

This. Its the arrogance of the Dems that is making people turn to Trump. It's getting on the high horse and calling all Trump supporters trash and drooling fucktards and stuff like that. You are making yourself look bad. Imagine someone isnt so politically active, but hears an elitist dem calling people they dont know a drooling fucktard, what do you think they will think?

I don’t understand, Trump has been explicitly, frequently and consistently insulting to almost every group. That’s how it all started, that is also to a large degree his “saying how it is” appeal. If name calling and arrogance are the root of the issue, how come it has worked so well for Trump? This is a bizarre inversion, I would understand if you insisted on other qualities like wokeness or economic policy, but how are you managing to attribute the exact worst qualities of MAGA to the Dems?

Except Trump calls people all kinds of bad things and it doesn't seem to hurt him.

Conclusion: You cannot arrogantly call someone a drooling fucktard. But you can call someone garbage non-arrogantly while also being a convicted felon.

The MAGA snowflakes prefer the felon, their soft skin can't seem to withstand arrogance.

Who is homophobic?

Dude. Read history. Read words. MAGA is literally fascist.

Maybe, but does it matter? How do you beat fascists? Look at Deutschland before the NSDAP took power. Many people tried to fight the NSDAP, with violence, with writings, with rallies, demonstrations... But all of it didnt work. It only made them more resolute. There must be a better way.

With public education which they fight against or a world war.

I don’t see it as name calling, the word Fascist plainly and accurately describes their positions and strategies. If they sincerely believe this is what is best, why would they see it as an insult rather than a compliment?

It is true that Americans are pretty proud of winning WWII, and label that as defeating fascism… but it is plainly obvious that this current political movement aims to implement exactly what we were fighting to prevent back then. I think this is the main reason it is seen as an insult- people that language implies betrayal of what a lot of Americans died fighting for.

Wow, I knew the comments would be bad. But this is the point where I literally said wow aloud.

Did he say something incorrect?

This is a confusing comment that I don't think answers my question.

> literally

I do not think you know what this word means.

I like how you seem to think no atheists voted for Trump

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