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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dzonga on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:04AM (#42058322)
don't take the voters as stupid, don't impose candidates who can't 1 win a 1 horse race.

pretty much the democratic party has to introspect and stop blaming voters for their failed campaign.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by walterbell on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:44AM (#42058778)
Bill Ackman, https://x.com/billackman/status/1854019674385547454

> The Democratic Party.. lied to the American people about the cognitive health and fitness of the president. It prevented, threatened, litigated and otherwise eliminated the ability of other [Democratic] candidates for the primary to compete, to get on ballots, and to even participate in a debate.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by formerly_proven on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:46AM (#42058812)
Isn't that sentence literally true for the Republican party as well? So how would it be a differentiating factor?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by walterbell on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:50AM (#42058867)
There was a 2024 Republican Presidential Primary, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Republican_Party_presiden...
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by stouset on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:06AM (#42059118)
And it turns out the voters don’t seem to actually care about the cognitive health of the President, nor do they seem to care about being lied to about it.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by j-krieger on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:37AM (#42059619)
The Republican Party didn't hide the President of the United States from the public because he was no longer able to speak publicly.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by vkou on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:52AM (#42059822)
The gibberish that routinely comes out of their candidate barely qualifies as speech.

The reality is, nobody who was wringing their hands about Biden's cognitive abilities, or his son's legal problems actually cared about either issue. If they did, they wouldn't have voted for an mentally declining criminal today.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ks2048 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:50AM (#42062262)
Yes, they do hide Trump's health reports from the public - or rather he never releases any information like other presidents do. Hell, he GOT SHOT and never gave any details of what happened.

I agree that Democrats denying Biden's cognitive decline was a disaster.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by walterbell on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:14AM (#42059278)
Joe Rogan's three-hour interview of one candidate got 40M+ views.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dialup_sounds on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:11AM (#42060092)
Soon: "Terrence Howard nominated to head Department of Education"
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by aydyn on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:46AM (#42058808)
Also don't blatantly exaggerate and lie in journalism:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-che...

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mariusor on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:52AM (#42058893)
I think the only lesson that Democrats can learn from the past three elections is that women have no chance at presidency. If anything, as an outsider, the campaign Harris led, seemed to reach vastly more people than Biden's.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by vundercind on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:30AM (#42060343)
I am 100% convinced a Republican woman could win. I was in touch with a lot of deep-red middle-of-the-country Republican voters and candidates for state and federal offices when Palin was the VP pick. Shooting-stuff-in-political-ads sorts. It was practically all they talked about. They liked her a ton better than McCain. I think they’d have gladly voted for her at the top of the ticket (granted, they lost that one, but I think an R woman could absolutely be elected President, probably more easily than a Democratic one).
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mangoman on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:59AM (#42061587)
That would be missing the forest for the trees in my view. I could see it having an impact, but when 60% of people say that the country is headed in the wrong direction, putting up a candidate who was in power the last four years just isn’t going to work. Biden would not have won a primary, and neither would she have
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Maken on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:00AM (#42059018)
As a foreigner, the Democratic party just lives of to crying wolf on the Republican party without offering any meaningful difference. And people have gotten tired of it, judging by the fact that Trump is not getting more voters than in 2020, but they are getting considerably less.

Maybe I'm a bit too optimistic, but rather than "people want Trump" I read all this debacle as "people want something different from the Democrats".

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by theshrike79 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:02AM (#42059054)
Nah, the problem is that Republicans have openly played a dirty game for almost a decade with ZERO repercussions. They flaunt the laws and conventions of politics and nothing happens.

Democrats still play by the rules for some reason and don't call out the shit done by the other party with simple enough terms.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gmueckl on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:05AM (#42060834)
This. One side sticks to the rules and watches silently while the other side slowly undermines them.

At the same time, the Republicans have perfected the twin strategies of sowing distrust in neutral media reorting and playing the victim card consistently to everything, even their own attacks.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by theshrike79 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:09AM (#42061720)
And Donald's first term taught them that when you lie ALL THE TIME, nobody can fact-check you effectively. Just stick to the script and talking points, no matter what the question.

By the time the first ad-libbed bold faced lie is checked and sourced, he has told 42 more. It's not a game you can win by playing by the rules.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by skhunted on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:02AM (#42059042)
People who vote for a sexual predator, a conman, pathological liar, a felon, a cheat, and a person who obviously has narcissistic personality disorder are stupid. We are living in a tyranny of the stupid. He’s the President we deserve.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by smallstepforman on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:26AM (#42060287)
It clearly shows how bad the D candidate/policy is, such that people prefered the R candidate with all the flaws you listed. The eye opener should be why people rejected the D candidates.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by skhunted on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:32AM (#42060362)
It’s a white nationalist backlash. They cared not about the messenger; only the message. It’s also the product of Russian disinformation. Russia has perfected the art of sowing division and faux outrage. We’ve done it to other countries so we deserve it in some sense. We’ll see a rise of toxic masculinity. Women exercising sexual autonomy and gaining power is not something snowflake men can handle.

Such is my belief. I could be entirely wrong.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ekianjo on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:53AM (#42060652)
Russia again?? Sure always look for external excuses for one's problem. That's the lesson of the day.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by skhunted on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:59AM (#42060743)
Russia and China have been waging a cyber war against the U.S. for a long time now. Russian accounts on social media have been effective at sowing dissent, chaos, conspiracy theories, and false information. Tim Pool and others on Russia’s payroll is clear evidence of this.

The lesson of the day is that the U.S. is far more conservative than I thought. Trump is the President we deserve and we deserve what comes next. White rural voters will not be helped by him and I will not shed any tears at their plight.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ekianjo on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:32AM (#42064793)
> Russian accounts on social media have been effective at sowing dissent, chaos, conspiracy theories, and false information.

Let me see... are you saying the CIA is sleeping at the wheel and don't know how to sow disinformation by themselves, and that a third world country like Russia is somehow more capable at this kind of game?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by skhunted on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:29PM (#42065800)
You should the entirety of what I’ve written.

Russia has perfected the art of sowing division and faux outrage. We’ve done it to other countries so we deserve it in some sense.

It’s possible that Russia is better at some things than the U.S.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by davrosthedalek on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:41PM (#42072776)
It is additionally also possible that a democracy with more or less independent media is much more vulnerable than a dictatorship with state-controlled media. The democracies in the world better wise up quickly and figure out a way to become resilient against this.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by drawkward on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:58AM (#42061573)
The is right out of Alexander Dugin's playbook.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by thinkingtoilet on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:33AM (#42062021)
It's not about policy though and it never was. There is no way the Democrats could have "policy-ed" themselves out of this.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by easterncalculus on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:16AM (#42064542)
I'm inclined to agree with you. At the same time, I don't think Kamala should have spent some of the limited time she had cozying up to people who wouldn't vote for her, antagonizing her base, and for the most part sidelining the people she had to convince.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by vetinari on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:44AM (#42060522)
Everyone at this level of power is either psychopath or sociopath. So it's not like the voters have any choice in that.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by skhunted on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:52AM (#42060644)
For the most part. But one can vote for the party that is more supportive of human rights, the environment, etc.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by refurb on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:19AM (#42060200)
Agree 100%. The "am I wrong? no, it's the voters who are wrong!" is a sure sign the next campaign will flop as well.

A large percentage of Americans aren't interested in what the Democratic Party is selling. The party can either stick to their policies and live with these kinds of showing, or take some time to really think about what the American voter is looking for.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by philistine on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:15AM (#42060984)
I look at the grander picture. It’s not that the democrats aren’t connected, it’s that the American people are culturally bankrupt. The romans became decadent after all, culturally incapable of maintaining their empire and slowly declining in power and influence over Europe. The American idea itself is in decline.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by noworriesnate on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:19AM (#42061851)
> The American idea itself is in decline.

America isn't an idea any more than England is an idea. We're a specific group of people with a specific heritage.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by philistine on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:06AM (#42062476)
If you want another word: American culture is in decline.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by refurb on Thursday November 07, 2024 @05:53AM (#42075544)
Why? Because they reject your policies?

Thats an awfully arrogant position to take.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by philistine on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:48AM (#42076603)
Because of the way Americans handled themselves during this election. On both sides! That January 6th happened. That Biden dropped out so late, denying a primary to his party.

All these show me that American culture is spiralling towards incompetence, just like the Romans.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by refurb on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:29AM (#42076909)
Your theory isn't really backed up by much.

If you look at American history, it's been much worse.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by skhunted on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:27AM (#42060298)
I don’t believe you are correct. People who vote for a man as debased, self centered, sexually depraved, and criminally inclined as Trump are “wrong”. White men latched onto a horrible person as their savior. If that’s what they want then they deserve what comes. But the people who don’t want that should stick to their principles.

What does it say about Trump that so many of his lawyers and advisors ended up in jail and that so few former cabinet members endorsed him? What does it say about his supporters who cared not that he raped children with his pal Epstein?

Remember when Cruz and Lindsey Graham spoke honestly about Trump just before November 2016? Recall what they said then to what they say now. It’s a cult.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by refurb on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:44AM (#42060535)
> People who vote for a man as debased, self centered, sexually depraved, and criminally inclined as Trump are “wrong”.

Maybe you're too young to remember Bill Clinton?

He was accused of sexual harassment by a number of women (including a rape). His relationship with Lewinsky (22 years old), is highly exploitive in terms of the power he held over her career. While he might have supported women's right politically, he was certainly exploitive in his personal life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_assault_an...

There were also a number of "questionable business dealings" in his past. Arkansas land deals, Whitewater, almost impeached by Congress for lying.

But I'm sure you'll say "oh, those were just trumped up charges by the Republicans". Ok, then don't blame Trump voters when they think "oh, those were just trumped up charges by the Democrats".

So while people got worked up, he got re-elected handily.

It's funny to me when people entirely overlooked Clinton's life because they liked him as a President and they liked his policies.

You'd think the Democrats would know this.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by skhunted on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:50AM (#42060621)
The Clintons earned $120 million in 10 years after he was President. Hilary gave 30 minute speeches at Goldman Sachs for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Clearly these were payouts for repeal of Glass-Steagal and other policies. He was a predator and not deserving of the adulation he got. She became senator for New York by having it basically handed to her.

It would benefit humanity if people were taught to be consistent in their views. If they understood that extremism is when the cause is more important than the truth.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by skhunted on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:56AM (#42061546)
But I'm sure you'll say "oh, those were just trumped up charges by the Republicans". Ok, then don't blame Trump voters when they think "oh, those were just trumped up charges by the Democrats".

You’d be wrong. I don’t have your apparent level of inconsistency.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by selimthegrim on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:09AM (#42061721)
I am sure you’ve heard the phrase “Trump with a dictionary”
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by potato3732842 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:45AM (#42062173)
I never have but I think this is doubly funny since I've more than once heard Trump derided as "orange Bill Clinton" by hardline fiscal conservatives.