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Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Monday January 05, 2009 @05:38AM (#420250)
Keep that $1k to feed yourself. Start a blog, talk about your product, get yourself dugg, slashdotted, reddited, HN'ed, etc... That will bring much more than $1k of attention to your product.

Importantly, without being sleazy about it, always be happy, willing, enthusiastic to talk about your product. You may feel a little bit of shame at the beginning, but it will go away. After all, you're telling people about your product because it will make their life better right?

To start at the beginning: why haven't you mentioned your product name in this post? How about an "Ask HN: Review my news aggregator"? Seems like a missed opportunity already.

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by mattmaroon on Monday January 05, 2009 @05:50AM (#420261)
Submitting yourself to digg, slashdot, and reddit will most likely get you about $0.12 worth of publicity. Can't hurt to try, but 999 out of 1,000 startups get 3 click throughs total that way. HN is much better.

The rest I agree with.

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Monday January 05, 2009 @05:58AM (#420266)
Depends how and what you submit.

I can reasonably easily get a few thousand hits out of a combination of these sites, even with a very young blog. Much more with an older blog. All you have to do is write something insightful, bite-size, funny, well written, appealing, with a great headline, and get your friends to upvote you. That works on Reddit. There's no guarantee for any particular article to make it, but over a period of a couple of months any decent writer should be able to make it.

(I'm speaking from experience btw)

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by mattmaroon on Monday January 05, 2009 @06:03AM (#420271)
While I believe that you can do this, most people wouldn't have the slightest clue how. Also, my understanding is that it's highly unlikely someone new to Digg or Reddit will get a submission promoted far. Is that not true?
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Monday January 05, 2009 @06:12AM (#420276)
You'll definitely have to work on it to make it happen - i.e. become active on those sites. However, I only have 288 karma points on reddit and I can get a reasonable success rate when I submit stuff there. The longer your account has existed and the more active it is, though, the better, of course.

Digg is a pain in the ass in that respect. The volumes of "diggs" required to even make a blip are so huge that you'll only make it there if either you've totally gamed it (like that guy who posted that article about it recently), or if you've made it through somewhere else and you're dugg as a side effect. I stopped bothering with it because I kept hearing that the quality of the traffic is also very low anyway (very high bounce rates).

Reddit and HN, however, are relatively easy to promote to, and if you get really picked up very well on reddit (which should happen with 1 article every few months if you're good and write reasonably often), it'll spread to other places too. Articles that succeed only on HN don't seem to spread around too much, however.

The best place so far, though, was Slashdot. Get yourself slashdotted (on their main page), and you can expect 100k+ hits from it, and many links from blogs, and probably you'll get reddited, delicious'ed, dugg, etc, soon after. Be sure that your server is ready to handle it... It's a complete lottery - an actual editor has to decide whether to push your article - but if you win it, it's worth it - so submit there when you have good slashdot content, it's free and might bring you untold amounts of geeky traffic!

Bear in mind also that none of these methods guarantee anything - not even traffic, and definitely no guarantee that people will stick around. But they're not overly hard to achieve if you're a decent writer and have something reasonably interesting to say (those are the hard bits, really).

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by mattmaroon on Monday January 05, 2009 @06:20AM (#420280)
I didn't realize Slashdot still had that kind of traffic. Good to know. You're right about HN users. They don't tend to Digg or Reddit you much. But they do stick pretty well if your product is in the category, so they're worth quite a bit on their own.

Definitely I would recommend just running a blog on Wordpress.com or TypePad or blogspot. Some service that can withstand the heat of any big press releases. Just in case. You can spend a few bucks to make it look like a subdomain of your main site anyway. Blogging can net you some organic search traffic too.

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by Tichy on Monday January 05, 2009 @07:28PM (#421379)
Last I heard there was a kind of cartel of professionals determining what gets popular and what doesn't. Last I heard was a year ago, though.
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Tuesday January 06, 2009 @04:43AM (#421786)
That's true on digg, but in my experience, it's not true on:

1) Hacker News

2) Reddit

3) Stumble Upon

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Monday January 05, 2009 @06:38AM (#420289)
One further thought...

999 out of 1,000 startups get 3 click throughs total that way

I think that comes from submitting your start-up as opposed to submitting a blog post about your start-up. Each submission has a small chance of success (especially early submissions), but if you write and submit often, your chances increase, as does your skill in how to submit successfully.

If you only have one shot at it, though, then yes, it's a waste of time.

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by mattmaroon on Monday January 05, 2009 @07:03AM (#420302)
Yeah that's true. If you do a blog entry about your startup, it improves to 998.
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Monday January 05, 2009 @07:19AM (#420314)
No, what I meant is that you build a reasonably successful blog and weave your start-up into the posts. You can't do that on every post, but it shouldn't be too hard to promote your own start-up on your own successful blog, right? :-)
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by mattmaroon on Monday January 05, 2009 @08:39AM (#420396)
Ah, the 37 Signals model. Not many people can build a successful blog. Writing is hard for a lot of people, and takes a lot of work to get good at. Most people would be better off spending that time working at Wal-Mart and plowing their salary from that into AdWords.
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Monday January 05, 2009 @09:16AM (#420441)
Writing is hard for a lot of people

If your product is something that needs to be marketed to the blog-reading masses, I'd say that having a decent writer on board is roughly as important as having a decent salesperson would be for an enterprise-facing start-up.

If you can't write, better get started. Practice makes perfect. You don't need to be an amazing writer to write a successful blog, imho. You just need to be somewhat articulate and have interesting things to say (which, as an entrepreneur, shouldn't be too hard?).

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by mattmaroon on Monday January 05, 2009 @11:56PM (#421608)
Well, that route worked for me in spades with my previous businesses, but I wouldn't recommend it to others. I started the blog for fun, and only after a couple years had become good at it and built up enough readership to turn it into a successful advertising vehicle. Had I set out on that path from the beginning I surely would have given up.
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by il on Monday January 05, 2009 @12:12PM (#420698)
As someone who has (succesfully) frontpaged dozens of Digg stories, I can tell you that unless you game the system with dozens of dummy accounts, there's a snowball's chance in hell you'll hit the front page. Spend $100 to hire some Indians to make an account and Digg, or use a service like piqqus.com.
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by cosmo7 on Monday January 05, 2009 @10:41PM (#421558)
As someone else who has regularly hit #1 on digg and reddit without even being aware that the stories were submitted, I have to disagree.
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by pclark on Monday January 05, 2009 @05:50AM (#420260)
I intend on doing that - I'm really excited about getting feedback from here especially - just not quite yet. Adding the final tweaks as it were.
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Monday January 05, 2009 @06:00AM (#420270)
I'd also add - get yourself written up by either ReadWriteWeb or TechCrunch. They seem to be the two big'uns in the "tech-meme-like" market, and a write up by either of those will be free and will certainly be worth much more than a thousand bucks' worth of advertising.

As a side-note, if anyone knows of any way to reach the construction industry that would be as effective as TechCrunch is for geeks, please let me know :-)

Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by ecommercematt on Monday January 05, 2009 @11:01AM (#420603)
Any particular niche within the construction industry?
Re:Ask YC: $1000 to advertise my startup by swombat on Monday January 05, 2009 @01:08PM (#420807)
Not necessarily, but we're focusing on architects first. Why, do you have a suggestion?