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Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by mmooss on Friday November 01, 2024 @04:32PM (#42021254)
It seems like the usual status quo power and revisionist power conflict: [0]

In every political system, the existing rules are created to preserve the existing status quo. Where do those rules come from? There is chaos and war (not necessarily kinetic; there are trade wars too), the war ends with a political settlement which satisfies enough participants to create stability (as all wars must end; otherwise people keep fighting), and the signatories to peace create rules to maintain their desired outcome.

Later a power arises for whom that peace isn't desireable. They are the revisionist power and want a change. Intellectual property rights are desireable for those who have a lot of intellectual property, the status quo IP powers. New powers might not have IP and don't find IP rights to be desireable.

If the revisionist power is strong enough, then either the status quo powers accomodate them - perhaps a controlled IP transfer program for developing countries, in return for strong IP laws or openness to foreign investment within those countries - or there's war (again, not necessarily kinetic war - maybe lots of hacking and IP theft, for example).

[0] "International relations analysts often differentiate between status-quo and revisionist states. Revisionist states favor modifications to the prevailing order: its rules and norms, its distribution of goods or benefits, its implicit structure or hierarchy, its social rankings that afford status or recognition, its division of territory among sovereign entities, and more."

https://oxfordre.com/internationalstudies/display/10.1093/ac...

Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by rustcleaner on Friday November 01, 2024 @07:58PM (#42022814)
War never ends, alliances and theatres merely shift.
Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by WarOnPrivacy on Saturday November 02, 2024 @01:39PM (#42027843)
> War never ends

Some wars end!

    In 2000, Bo McCoy and Ron McCoy organized a joint family reunion of the Hatfield and McCoy that garnered national attention. More than 5,000 people attended.
ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield%E2%80%93McCoy_feud
Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by mmooss on Saturday November 02, 2024 @04:48PM (#42029114)
What does that mean? Aren't there endless examples of peace? Unless you just say all conflict is part of a great universal conflict, which you'll have to give us some evidence for.
Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by 3np on Saturday November 02, 2024 @04:51PM (#42029136)
Don't believe the military-industry-complex lies. Peace is not only possible but natural.
Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by fakedang on Monday November 04, 2024 @10:20AM (#42042308)
Peace might be but competition certainly is more natural than peace.
Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by 3np on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @12:47PM (#42053623)
I'd say either both are equally natural (hard to believe when you've been conditioned in a mostly competitive environment) or cooperation is actually more common (it's just that you consciously register the competitive).
Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by WalterBright on Friday November 01, 2024 @05:28PM (#42021729)
> as all wars must end; otherwise people keep fighting

And up is up unless it is down :-)

Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by mmooss on Friday November 01, 2024 @06:31PM (#42022204)
I'll try to keep my sentences shorter for you. :-)

It's not that 'wars must end, otherwise they keep fighting', but that there is 'a political settlement which satisfies enough participants to create stability ... otherwise they keep fighting'. [0]

I will stipulate that the sentence could have parsed more clearly. :-(

[0] It's just Clausewitz, effectively: Warfare is politics conducted by other means.

Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by arunabha on Saturday November 02, 2024 @12:20PM (#42027313)
> It's just Clausewitz, effectively:

Drink!

Apologies to fans of Bret Deveraux :-)

Re:How China Is Like the 19th Century U.S. by penteract on Friday November 01, 2024 @08:44PM (#42023086)
I think that was intended to be read as "how all wars must end" rather than "because all wars must end".