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Re:Buy payphones and retire by jayd16 on Monday October 28, 2024 @05:04PM (#41976267)
> more people will lose than win.

It's not necessarily zero sum. If money is invested to produce value instead of simply moving it around then everyone can benefit.

Re:Buy payphones and retire by schmidtleonard on Monday October 28, 2024 @05:12PM (#41976346)
Yes, though it's important to note that the economic notion of value is weighted according to wealth and therefore more than a bit weird. Feeding an orphan creates no "value" because they have no money to pay you with, while merging companies into a mega-monopoly that can shake down the rest of the economy creates loads of "value" because it pays rich investors huge dividends. Of course, there are plenty of honest ways to create value and get paid for it, and that's pretty cool. Both extremes exist, most things are in the messy middle, and reasonable minds can differ about which way the system leans and what should be done about it, if anything.

Another piece of important context is that the US is a developed economy, not a growth economy. If the pie is growing at 2% and the capital slice of the pie is growing at 10%, anyone who lives in the remainder and argues that their slice is being grown is a fool.

Re:Buy payphones and retire by Aeolun on Monday October 28, 2024 @06:16PM (#41977039)
> Feeding an orphan creates no "value" because they have no money to pay you with

Only because it’s illegal to make them work? I imagine it could be quite lucrative.

Re:Buy payphones and retire by yoyohello13 on Monday October 28, 2024 @07:31PM (#41977709)
Big bad government enforcing those pesky human rights.
Re:Buy payphones and retire by jayd16 on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @01:58AM (#41979858)
I think people understand that, for example, investing in schools generates more value than you put in.
Re:Buy payphones and retire by eru on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:26AM (#41980329)
I appreciate your point in general, but I doubt the specific one you made. At least for the US.

The US ever larger amounts of money per pupil (around $17,280 per pupil annually these days according to the Internet), but educational outcomes haven't really changed much over the decades. Whether you measure that in absolute terms or by international comparison.

Re:Buy payphones and retire by immibis on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:36AM (#41980408)
Are they investing or just wasting money?
Re:Buy payphones and retire by eru on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:45AM (#41980468)
They are certainly trying to.
Re:Buy payphones and retire by eru on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:29AM (#41980352)
Yes, feeding an orphan is consumption (not investing), just like buying a yacht with your money.

Rich people do these kinds of things all the time.

Re:Buy payphones and retire by immibis on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:36AM (#41980405)
And it has zero value since the orphan doesn't pay.
Re:Buy payphones and retire by eru on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:44AM (#41980457)
Neither does the yacht.
Re:Buy payphones and retire by HPsquared on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @06:14AM (#41981991)
This kind of thing is best analyzed using the subjective theory of value.