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Re:Reflections on Palantir by dralley on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @09:00PM (#41865426)
If you have a military enemy that blatantly hides itself within civilian areas and builds its underground infrastructure underneath civilian infrastructure, and that military enemy kills 1200 of your citizens in an attack, that creates a fair bit of moral ambiguity.
Re:Reflections on Palantir by pazimzadeh on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @10:19PM (#41865828)
Re:Reflections on Palantir by ArtixFox on Thursday October 17, 2024 @01:05AM (#41866578)
sooo israel should use time travel? the situation right now is a fucked up war between two bloodthirsty groups. I dont think this is the right time to think of inventing time machines...
Re:Reflections on Palantir by pazimzadeh on Thursday October 17, 2024 @05:07PM (#41873796)
You can start by removing from power the government officials who funded Hamas. After that, yes time travel could help: https://xkcd.com/209/
Re:Reflections on Palantir by ArtixFox on Thursday October 17, 2024 @10:48PM (#41875943)
How will removing Benjamin change anything?
Re:Reflections on Palantir by pazimzadeh on Friday October 18, 2024 @12:22AM (#41876314)
That depends on who replaces him. Do you have a better idea?
Re:Reflections on Palantir by ArtixFox on Friday October 18, 2024 @04:25AM (#41877385)
yes, better airstrike policy as a first. Eliminating hamas is important, but instead of letting israel run wild, deploy a coalition so that you can chain israel while also eliminating hamas.
Re:Reflections on Palantir by ks2048 on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @09:10PM (#41865481)
Imagine the reaction to Palestinians blowing up a residential Israeli apartment building with hundreds of civilians inside and justifying it by saying they wanted to kill an IDF member inside.
Re:Reflections on Palantir by shiroiushi on Thursday October 17, 2024 @01:26AM (#41866663)
If the IDF member is shooting at them from the apartment building, then it becomes a valid military target. This is very clearly spelled out in the Geneva conventions.
Re:Reflections on Palantir by ndheebebe on Thursday October 17, 2024 @08:16AM (#41868925)
This is a tenuous hypothetical.
Re:Reflections on Palantir by Aeolun on Thursday October 17, 2024 @06:18AM (#41868147)
I think by the time you’ve worked your way through more dead children than the entirety of your civilian casualties, I think you’ve lost all pretence at the moral high ground.
Re:Reflections on Palantir by guappa on Thursday October 17, 2024 @06:40AM (#41868261)
> If you have a military enemy that blatantly hides itself within civilian areas

And if you don't just claim that you do anyway and keep bombing hospitals.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by kombine on Thursday October 17, 2024 @09:04AM (#41869288)
Do you know where the ministry of defense is located in Tel-Aviv? Right next to its biggest shopping mall, inside of which at any point you will find dozens of young soldiers wandering around in their military uniforms with automatic rifles hanging over the shoulders. I am saying this because I have been to this shopping mall many times. According to Israel's own doctrine that makes this shopping mall a legit military target, which, of course, is total bullshit. Just like the old and tired argument about "human shields" and "terrorists embedding themselves among civilians".
Re:Reflections on Palantir by edanm on Sunday October 20, 2024 @04:25AM (#41893867)
The argument isn't that Hamas put their HQ next to civilians. It's that they store their munitions and shoot rockets out of schools. Israel's military HQ (not the ministry of defense), which is indeed located in Tel Aviv - Yafo, is not where tanks will be rolling out of.

Nor does Israel build underground bunkers or areas to shoot rockets out of underneath civilian buildings.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by pphysch on Thursday October 17, 2024 @12:14PM (#41871027)
Evidence-free allegations of "human shields" is not an excuse to repeatedly commit mass murder.

Israel has already executed a proportional response to Oct 7, at least 100 times over. The additional 99+ times represent indefensible war crimes.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by pphysch on Thursday October 17, 2024 @12:16PM (#41871043)
Evidence-free allegations of "human shields" is not an excuse to repeatedly commit mass murder.

Israel has already executed a proportional response to Oct 7, at least 100 times over. The extra 99+ times represent unprovoked war crimes.

Re:Reflections on Palantir by dralley on Thursday October 17, 2024 @01:40PM (#41871808)
That... is not how wars work. Proportional response is not a requirement.
Re:Reflections on Palantir by rudnevr on Thursday October 17, 2024 @06:17PM (#41874370)
you don't understand the principle of proportionality "jus in bello", which guides this. TLDR: It's not a scoring competition, it's about balance of means and goals.

Human shields are easy to see, if you're remotely literate in military law: if you don't see the non-combatants clearly marked, as you can observe happening in Ukraine, for example, it's a human shield and a war crime. If you see firing rockets from civilian area, it a human shield because the other side cannot respond and makes more mistakes. If you prevent evacuation of civil population, it's a human shield. Etc.