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Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by bee_rider on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @12:09AM (#41844861)
Cheating at a PvE game like Helldivers is basically a victimless crime (I don’t do it, but I can see why people would).
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by a_t48 on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @12:17AM (#41844899)
Cheating with only your friends - yeah, mostly. Cheating with randos sounds like it would lead to boring gameplay.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by wcfields on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @12:34AM (#41844972)
Like, you can cheat at Solitaire, but why?
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by shermantanktop on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @12:45AM (#41845026)
Hey, dopamine is dopamine. This ain’t stolen valor or a plagiarized thesis.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by smolder on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @05:43AM (#41846788)
I think it's a special kind of person that gets a kick from "winning" at something that's not a challenge. You might as well write "winner" on a t-shirt in marker and wear it.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by lazide on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @11:18AM (#41849510)
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by bee_rider on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @01:37PM (#41850980)
I don’t really know that it is cheating to get a “win” label. Maybe it is just a distraction or fun flashing lights.

Do you remember being a child and just playing with action figures? It was harmless and fun. I wonder where we lose that ability to just chill and have fun without a challenge.

Actually, a lot of people seem to just spend a lot of time watching TV, which is also fun without challenge.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by smolder on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @08:50PM (#41854611)
The comparison to TV watching or playing pretend is apt, though I don't see how cheating at multiplayer games is an improvement over those. If you cheat in something like helldivers 2 (what my comment is meant to address) that can also spoil other peoples' experience who actually want a challenge. Besides, nowadays you have the option of just watching someone else play a game to completion on twitch or youtube, which is quite popular.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by shermantanktop on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @06:57PM (#41853969)
Solitaire is a game, and many people see games in terms of gaining or losing either social status or self-image. But for single-player games:

- maybe "winning" is a special case of "completing"

- "playing a game" in a competitive sense is totally different than "playing" in an undirected sense; e.g. playing with Legos or playing with a cat. Or playing with matches for that matter.

- for me, i'd much rather write "winner" on a t-shirt and wear it than prance around in a t-shirt that I legit competed for and won, and I need the world to know that about me. What kind of fragile ego does that? I'm more likely to see that as a "special kind of person."

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by smolder on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @08:48PM (#41854594)
> But for single-player games

We were talking about people cheating at multiplayer co-op in this thread. I don't think people use rule-breaking cheats in multiplayer games (competitive or otherwise) purely for the story in the game, or they could go watch a TV show/movie or read a book instead and get a better story. (Or watch someone else play it!)

> for me, i'd much rather write "winner" on a t-shirt and wear it than prance around in a t-shirt that I legit competed for and won, and I need the world to know that about me. What kind of fragile ego does that? I'm more likely to see that as a "special kind of person."

These aren't the only two options. You can also just challenge yourself for the satisfaction of overcoming challenges and not wear a t-shirt. I think when people cheat at something where the outcome is broadcast there is almost always an element of status seeking.

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by shermantanktop on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @08:26AM (#41858286)
I was responding to

> Like, you can cheat at Solitaire, but why?

Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by smolder on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @01:07PM (#41861364)
Yeah, that's fair and what you said is reasonable. I was changing the context back to multiplayer to make my point about that.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by blitzar on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:38AM (#41845888)
It is a crime against oneself.
Re:Cheating alleged after men's world conker champion found ... by bee_rider on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @09:22AM (#41848308)
It is a pretty straightforward wave shooter game. I had fun with it, but it isn’t high art or anything. I enjoy games like Hades or Dark Souls where the fact that you keep losing is an interesting part of the narrative and builds the overall ambiance. Helldivers (2, at least) is not really that sort of game, the plot is more like fun, even sillier Starship Troopers.

I played it properly, but I think is somebody decided to fast-forward through some bits they wouldn’t be denying themselves too much.