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Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by kens on Saturday October 05, 2024 @11:28AM (#41750559)
Author here for your mechanical computer questions...

P.S. there are two more parts to the series, going into more details on the Globus, explaining the circuitry and the "algorithms": https://www.righto.com/2023/03/reverse-engineering-electroni... https://www.righto.com/2023/03/reverse-engineering-globus-in...

Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by philistine on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:17PM (#41750927)
Imagine going to space using gears moving a pin on a globe.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by varjag on Saturday October 05, 2024 @01:10PM (#41751306)
Imagine going to space by lighting up rocket engines with giant matches:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a19966/russia...

Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by haunter on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:53PM (#41751182)
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by 4gotunameagain on Sunday October 06, 2024 @01:48AM (#41755038)
It's actually the same one I think !

   > Fortunately, CuriousMarc was able to get the globe back into position while ensuring that the gears had the right timing. (Putting the globe back arbitrarily would mess up the latitude and longitude.)
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by hintymad on Saturday October 05, 2024 @01:31PM (#41751460)
Ha, the similar technology that Eridians used to launch Rocky's blip-A.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by rbanffy on Saturday October 05, 2024 @01:49PM (#41751591)
Now we need one on the Apollo 8 ball.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by kens on Saturday October 05, 2024 @01:59PM (#41751667)
As soon as someone loans us an FDAI...
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by harywilke on Saturday October 05, 2024 @02:03PM (#41751702)
Read a very interesting book on the space race from the soviet side. One of the things that stood out was the lack of solid state transistor technology meant that they were using tube transistors in their space craft. This was one of the reasons they had problems doing spacewalks. They couldn't expose the interior of their capsules to space or the electronics would go pop. The Wrong Stuff How the Soviet Space Program Crashed and Burned by John strausbaugh https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/john-strausbaugh/th...
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by izacus on Saturday October 05, 2024 @02:34PM (#41751916)
The title itself should tell you that the book is there to sensationalize and grind an axe, not to actually provide any historical accuracy.

And yep, the author didn't even bother to use primary sources: https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4851/1

It's like recommending a book about Apollo program written by Russians without reading any US documentation.

If there has to be a western author, James Harford's Korolev biography is a better put together look into Soviet space program and actually has some proper academic reviews.

Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by kens on Saturday October 05, 2024 @02:54PM (#41752044)
I read "Beyond: The Astonishing Story of the First Human to Leave Our Planet and Journey into Space" and found it very interesting. It is a detailed history of the early Soviet space program and Yuri Gagarin's flight.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by MrBuddyCasino on Saturday October 05, 2024 @03:28PM (#41752288)
Why would a vacuum tube „pop“ when exposed to vacuum?
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by dmix on Saturday October 05, 2024 @03:55PM (#41752452)
probably because the vacuum of space is way more extreme than inside the tube which would cause pressure on the seals
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by teraflop on Sunday October 06, 2024 @08:43AM (#41756750)
Vacuum tubes typically have an internal pressure of less than 0.001 atm, sometimes much less.

Any seal that can withstand a pressure difference of 0.001 atm to 1 atm from the outside can almost certainly withstand a difference of 0.001 atm to 0 atm from the inside.

Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by analog31 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @07:14PM (#41753586)
Possibly nowhere for the heat to go. Some tubes need a certain amount of ventilation depending on the application. It wouldn't pop, but might fail.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by numpad0 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @08:27PM (#41753824)
Some of Soviet spacecrafts were known to have been built around ~1atm pressure vessels as a brute force means to reduce unknown unknowns. I suspect it could be reverse reasoning from there.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by bgnn on Saturday October 05, 2024 @06:30PM (#41753391)
that's bullshit. vacuum tubes are used in spacecraft by NASA too. it's likely they are still used. they don't pop in vacuum. plus they're more radiation resistant thwn transistors.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by LetsGetTechnicl on Saturday October 05, 2024 @02:54PM (#41752045)
Whether or not its technically inferior to American space technology at the time, you have to admire the ingenuity.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by somat on Sunday October 06, 2024 @12:53AM (#41754849)
They are used in different flight regimes, so not really comparable, but nonetheless, I found it interesting to compare it to the US version of the strange ball navigation thing.

https://www.righto.com/2024/09/f4-attitude-indicator.html

Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by neuralRiot on Saturday October 05, 2024 @04:01PM (#41752488)
I always found mechanical calculators fascinating, here’s an article with a video explanation about the MK1 navy fire control computer. https://hackaday.com/2014/10/28/retrotechtacular-fire-contro...
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by thrownawaysz on Saturday October 05, 2024 @08:33PM (#41753846)
Dumb question: How do you jam a device like this? Is it even possible? Example: you want them to land at an incorrect location or doing more orbits than planned
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by Ugohcet on Sunday October 06, 2024 @01:52AM (#41755053)
You don't. This is basically a clock display with extra knobs and dials. It doesn't have any sensors or inputs except 1sec pulse.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by richrichie on Saturday October 05, 2024 @08:37PM (#41753868)
Mechanical computers are still used onboard Russian warships. These are meant to function under EMP attacks.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by dennis_jeeves2 on Sunday October 06, 2024 @08:20AM (#41756632)
Interesting, I never thought of that.
Re:The Globus INK: a mechanical navigation computer for Sovi... by 4gotunameagain on Sunday October 06, 2024 @01:58AM (#41755075)
One was sold last year for the bargain price of 40 thousand euros !

https://meshok.net/en/item/275902733_%D0%93%D0%9B%D0%9E%D0%9...