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Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by tonetegeatinst on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:59PM (#41737687)
Pretty sure I heard wastewater can be used to detect sudden spikes of drug usage or sudden outbreaks. Not surprising.
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by te_chris on Friday October 04, 2024 @02:53AM (#41738535)
London's flows with coke
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by misja111 on Friday October 04, 2024 @06:54AM (#41740094)
Yes, check e.g. the map in this page https://www.euda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-wate..., it's pretty cool
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by pfdietz on Friday October 04, 2024 @07:53AM (#41740451)
Also, drugs can be used to track wastewater. For example, the quantity of wastewater flowing into a river can be estimated by measuring caffeine in the river's water.
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by doubled112 on Friday October 04, 2024 @08:42AM (#41740804)
I might be an overachiever here. Finally I’m a 10xer!
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by worstspotgain on Friday October 04, 2024 @12:20AM (#41737786)
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by worstspotgain on Friday October 04, 2024 @12:24AM (#41737808)
Wastewater hits in SF reported back in June:

SF Chronicle: https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/h5n1-avian-flu-sa...

LA Times: https://archive.is/VSjBB

Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by ethbr1 on Friday October 04, 2024 @01:07AM (#41738012)
Part of the article's suggestion is to better differentiate monitoring points, so as to divide farm-related hits from urban hits.

That said, in cities that have combined storm and sewer system, the latter is a lot more difficult.

But in general, it is a uniquely politically-palatable continuous monitoring solution.

The public doesn't want to think about what happens underneath a toilet or drain, so no one cares if someone is sampling and testing it.

Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by worstspotgain on Friday October 04, 2024 @01:47AM (#41738224)
SF has a combined sewer system, but it has zero farms. One question is whether it was more likely to be a signal from wild birds (into the runoff system) than humans (into the sewer.)

There's very little rain in the summer months, the average for July rounds off to 0.0in. I don't remember if there was any significant rain in May or June, but I'd be surprised if it was more than 1-5% of the total. I guess there's lawn irrigation, though.

Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by dredmorbius on Friday October 04, 2024 @03:17AM (#41738693)
SF has pretty limited lawn irrigation as well. Depending on how the sewerage system is divided, some parts of the city have effectively none.
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by worstspotgain on Friday October 04, 2024 @03:41AM (#41738835)
There are three sewersheds [1] but we don't know which one the signal was detected in (or do we?) If it was the Northpoint one (~ NE quadrant) there aren't as many lawns there. There are a few small parks, street cleaning and whatnot.

[1] https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Cal...

Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by Terr_ on Friday October 04, 2024 @01:21AM (#41738085)
Also, it's not so finely-grained that it seems like a privacy problem.
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by rsktaker on Friday October 04, 2024 @01:55AM (#41738259)
My university recently discovered a covid outbreak at my freshman dorm by testing the wastewater; that was the first I heard about the technique. It's especially effective for this use case: "Traces of SARS-CoV-2 can show up in an infected person’s feces days before any symptoms are detected, and even when a person ultimately shows no symptoms at all." [1]

[1] https://adminvc.ucla.edu/expanded-wastewater-testing-program....

Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by rogerrogerr on Friday October 04, 2024 @01:35PM (#41743645)
Ah yes, a disease they only know to worry about because of testing wastewater. This doesn’t seem “effective” for any real-life sane goal.
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by eskathos on Friday October 04, 2024 @03:17AM (#41738692)
The danish government has been doing that for a while, with open data available per region: https://en.ssi.dk/surveillance-and-preparedness/surveillance...

They also lead the EU wide project to track infections across the largest cities across europe: https://en.ssi.dk/surveillance-and-preparedness/internationa...

Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by cholera911 on Friday October 04, 2024 @07:09AM (#41740180)
..and some lucky bastard managed to dig up some cholera bacteria from the sewers in Avedøre: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39085652/
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by waveBidder on Friday October 04, 2024 @09:53AM (#41741427)
this is kind of a thing in the States, the program is called Nwss. https://www.cdc.gov/nwss/index.html
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by osigurdson on Friday October 04, 2024 @04:08AM (#41738999)
Aren't most jurisdictions doing this now?
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by SoftTalker on Friday October 04, 2024 @07:43AM (#41740369)
Some are, not sure about most. There is a cost, as with anything, so smaller utilities might not be.
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by richbell on Friday October 04, 2024 @08:07AM (#41740548)
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by osigurdson on Friday October 04, 2024 @12:01PM (#41742754)
>> which has cost $10- to $15-million a year since it was launched in 2020

Great link. Perhaps their decision makes sense given the cost. I had no idea that people were running around with fishing rods and tampons to do this. That is hilarious!

Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by richbell on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @08:54PM (#41794471)
> Perhaps their decision makes sense given the cost.

What point are you trying to make? 10-15 million is nothing considering how valuable that data is for public health.

Public services cost money; nobody argues that we shouldn't have roads because they cost money to maintain.

Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by waveBidder on Friday October 04, 2024 @09:55AM (#41741444)
https://www.cdc.gov/nwss/index.html has most of the public ones
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by randogp on Friday October 04, 2024 @04:09AM (#41739011)
The EU publishes monthly bulletins around DNA surveillance programs. "The bulletin summarise the reported results and findings from European national wastewater surveillance programmes. It also informs about the local surveillance projects and non-EU countries participating as observers" https://wastewater-observatory.jrc.ec.europa.eu/#/bulletin
Re:Sequencing wastewater may be key to getting a grip on the... by wigster on Friday October 04, 2024 @08:21AM (#41740648)
why not just put the word "genetic/genome" at the front of that headline?

*kers.