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Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by jhbadger on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:28AM (#41730105)
And from the 1920s to the 1960s, jazz was pop music. It isn't seen quite as highbrow or obscure as opera, but at least in the US, you are far more likely to hear jazz (and opera) on public radio and not commercial stations. It's the standard cycle of popular entertainment from popular entertainment to "art". Charles Dickens wasn't writing "great literature" in his age, he was writing popular literature akin to someone like John Grisham today.
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by lubujackson on Thursday October 03, 2024 @10:42AM (#41731259)
Even worse, Charles Dickens mostly wrote serialized novels that were published weekly in a newspaper.

The closest modern equivalent is a weekly comic book (or manga) that gets turned into a graphic novel after its run.

Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by TeaBrain on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:18PM (#41732121)
The suggestion that serialized/installment novels are similar to your analogy, or a reflection of their quality, is a misconception. Serialized novels were often completed before being released in installments, unlike a so-called comic run. It was often simply an alternative method of publishing.

Other examples of serialized novels include The Count of Monte Cristo, Madame Bovary, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Tolstoy's Anna Karenina, Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, Joyce's Ulysses, Hemingway's A Farewell to Arms, and Fitzgerald's Tender is the Night. A Farewell to Arms, for example, was completed entirely before it was serialized in Scribner's. In the heyday of the Atlantic and Scribner's magazines, many of the best American writers would first publish their novels in installments prior to releasing as a single volume. It was considered a mark of success to publish in installments in one of the vaunted literary magazines.

Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by dmonitor on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:31PM (#41732273)
We should bring back this format. Just like Netflix's "dump all at once" strategy stifles the pop impact of their series, I think you could get more interest in literature by adopting a chapter-by-chapter release cycle. You would need to jumpstart it with some big name authors to draw interest, but I could see it taking off as a format once the ball starts rolling.
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by netdevnet on Friday October 04, 2024 @07:17AM (#41740227)
Problem with this is that you will get a lot of unfinished works. Sales would be checked regularly and as soon as unpopular chapter hits the market and sales go super low, it gets axed. Netflix itself does that too. Look at all the season 1/2 series out there. Imagine spending a year reading a novel just for it to be axed when it is 70% complete
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by dmonitor on Friday October 04, 2024 @06:47PM (#41746218)
short runs and one-offs are common in manga before someone gets approved for a full series
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by Filligree on Friday October 04, 2024 @07:46AM (#41740393)
It never went away. This is the standard publishing format for fanfiction, webnovels, and so on.
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by dmonitor on Friday October 04, 2024 @06:49PM (#41746230)
true, but discoverability on the medium is awful right now, and there’s not really a pipeline for getting your webnovel an editor, and translating webnovel success into getting published
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by kbelder on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:31PM (#41732267)
Why did you interpret being compared to a comic or manga as an insult to their quality?
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by TeaBrain on Thursday October 03, 2024 @12:43PM (#41732401)
In short, that wasn't my meaning. My line about the quality was in response to the first line of the comment I replied to, where it was said "Even worse, Charles Dickens mostly wrote serialized novels", which makes it seem as if that commenter thought serialized novels were considered of poorer quality than the alternative of publishing in a single volume. My remark about not being similar to a comic run is separate, and is due to how installment novels were not necessarily continual works in progress like a comic.
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by dsclough on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:38AM (#41731753)
Wasn’t crime and punishment published periodically in a magazine or something like it? What does this have to do with the quality?
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by nine_k on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:23AM (#41731619)
Speaking of modern terms, I suppose the Iliad's "books" would be named "episodes", and the Odyssey would be "the next season".
Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by vundercind on Thursday October 03, 2024 @11:33AM (#41731712)
It was even a whole literary universe, full of intertwining storylines and crossing-over characters!

We’ve lost most of it, but there were tons of works connected to the Iliad. It’s just the last year of a ten year war. The instigation of the war, events in gathering the allies on both sides, the voyage of the Greeks to Ilium, and other battles and skirmishes are alluded to, but not directly covered in Homer’s story. Then there’s the return of the heroes other than Odysseus! We have some of this in surviving tragedies, but know only titles and maybe topics for a whole bunch more.

Then you’ve got all the national myths that connect to it. The Aeneid, the Round Table and broader “Matter of Britain”, et c.

Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by zozbot234 on Thursday October 03, 2024 @06:35PM (#41735815)
> It was even a whole literary universe, full of intertwining storylines and crossing-over characters!

This is of course true of mythology more generally, not just the Trojan War literary cycle. Mythology was the "fictional universe(s)" of its day, that most cultured people would've been familiar with.

Re:Who Pays for the Arts? by antupis on Thursday October 03, 2024 @08:51AM (#41730304)
We kind of see same shift happening in real-time with The Beatles at the moment