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Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by unethical_ban on Saturday September 21, 2024 @02:29PM (#41611741)
It is true that VS Code has some non-optional telemetry, and if VS Codium works for people, that is great. However, the telemetry of VSCode is non-personal metrics, and some of the most popular extensions are only available with VSCode, not with Codium.
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by wkat4242 on Saturday September 21, 2024 @02:48PM (#41611845)
> and some of the most popular extensions are only available with VSCode, not with Codium

Which is an artificial restriction from MS that's really easily bypassed.

Personally I don't care whether the telemetry is identifiable. I just don't want it.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by noman-land on Saturday September 21, 2024 @02:54PM (#41611888)
How is it bypassed?
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by wkat4242 on Saturday September 21, 2024 @02:56PM (#41611900)
There's a whitelist identifier that you can add bundle IDs to, to get access to the more sensitive APIs. Then you can download the extension file and install it manually. I don't have the exact process right now but just Google it :)
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by arcanemachiner on Saturday September 21, 2024 @11:40PM (#41614463)
Good to know. I never got too far with VSCodium because of this limitation.
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by jjnoakes on Sunday September 22, 2024 @01:42PM (#41618597)
It is not just a technical limitation, it is a license limitation too, for what it is worth.
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by eMPee584 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @05:52AM (#41615953)
To switch the extension market place to the non-free one, some URLs need to be swapped in a product.JSON file, as in this script: https://github.com/fsfw-dresden/usb-live-linux/commit/3e4fd4...
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by qwezxcrty on Saturday September 21, 2024 @04:35PM (#41612518)
From the documentation (https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry ) it seems there is a supported way to completely turn off telemetry. Is there something else in VSCode that doesn't respect this setting?
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by lr1970 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @06:38AM (#41616116)
From the documentation you linked above:

> extensions may be collecting their own usage data and are not controlled by the telemetry.telemetryLevel setting. Consult the specific extension's documentation to learn about its telemetry reporting and whether it can be disabled.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by ENGNR on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:27AM (#41616320)
That's new. Previously there was a setting, but they removed it, and it would even throw a warning in settings.json that the property no longer existed.

They must have reintroduced the telemetry setting. I can't remember if I deleted the old one, but my setting on that new value was set to "all" by default.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by metadat on Saturday September 21, 2024 @07:04PM (#41613311)
Not allowing end-users to disable telemetry is actually awful. IP addresses are considered personally identifiable information.
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by poincaredisk on Saturday September 21, 2024 @07:56PM (#41613534)
>the telemetry of VSCode is non-personal metrics

But I don't want it. I want my software to work for me, not against me.

>and some of the most popular extensions are only available with VSCode, not with Codium.

I'll manage without them. What's especially annoying is that this restriction is completely artificial.

Having said that, MS did a great job with VsCode and I applaud them for that. I guess nothing is perfect, and I bet these decisions were made by suits against engineer wishes.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by neoberg on Sunday September 22, 2024 @10:04AM (#41617160)
> But I don't want it. I want my software to work for me, not against me.

How is said software working "against" you by collecint non-personal telemetry while purpose of that telemetry usually is making the software better for most users?

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by spl757 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @04:03PM (#41619593)
Why did you use quotataion marks around that particular word?
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by akimbostrawman on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @06:10AM (#41634959)
>usually is making the software better for most users?

that usually hasn't been the case since at least a decade. it's truly bewildering that someone especially on hackernews would voluntarily give big tech there finger and not expect to get bitten.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by tripzilch on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @05:17AM (#41645384)
Software did absolutely not get any better after corporations started adding telemetry to their software.

Point in case: Software actually got worse.

Second point in case: Great software and editors have been built without telemetry for decades.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by noman-land on Friday October 04, 2024 @03:28PM (#41744805)
You just need to swap out some nouns and the offense will become more obvious.

"How is that chair working 'against' you by collecting 'non-personal' sitting patterns tagged with timestamps and information about the chair and house that it's in while the purpose of that data collection 'usually' is making the chair better for other people?"

When I use a product, I'm not implicitly inviting the makers of that product to perpetually monitor my usage of the product so that they can make more money based on my data. In any other part of life other than software, this would be an obscene assumption for a product maker to make. But in software, people give it a pass.

No.

This type of data collection is obscene when informed consent is not clearly and authoritatively acquired in advance.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by jaggederest on Saturday September 21, 2024 @08:30PM (#41613677)
> However, the telemetry of VSCode is non-personal metrics,

We know from the body of work in deobfuscation that there's no such thing as "strictly anonymous metrics".

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by SoothingSorbet on Saturday September 21, 2024 @09:22PM (#41613926)
> However, the telemetry of VSCode is non-personal metrics

I don't care, I don't want my text editor to send _any_ telemetry, _especially_ without my explicit consent.

> some of the most popular extensions are only available with VSCode

This has never been an issue for me, fortunately. The only issue is Microsoft's proprietary extensions, which I have no interest in using either. If I wanted a proprietary editor I'd use something better.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by aftbit on Saturday September 21, 2024 @09:33PM (#41613971)
I dropped VSCode when I found out that the remote editing and language server extensions were both proprietary. Back to vim and sorry I strayed.
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by all2 on Saturday September 21, 2024 @10:49PM (#41614282)
Jetbrains is pretty ok on this front. I've been enjoying using my beefy computer to do work from my potato laptop.
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by prometheon1 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:23AM (#41616303)
The way I read it, the message you replied to was a complaint about parts of VSCode being proprietary. Do you mean to say Jetbrains is pretty ok on the "not being proprietary" front?
Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by aftbit on Monday September 23, 2024 @01:23PM (#41628407)
Yeah, 100%. I'm not a hardcore FOSS only person, but for my core workflow, when a FOSS tool exists and works well, I am not likely to use a proprietary alternative if I can avoid it at all.

So yeah, I'll use Excel to interoperate with fancy spreadsheets, but if LibreOffice will do the job, I'll use it instead. I tried out several of the fancy proprietary editors at various times (SublimeText, VSCode, even Jetbrains), but IMO they were not better _enough_ to justify switching away from something like vim, which is both ubiquitously available and FOSS.

Re:Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on thei... by causal on Monday September 23, 2024 @02:56PM (#41629370)
Making the remote editing extension closed is particularly frustrating, as you have little visibility into what it's doing and it is impossible to debug obscure errors