Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by bhelkey on Thursday September 19, 2024 @05:56PM
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A walkie-talkie receiving a message should be a passive device no?
One can triangulate a radio broadcasting, I don't know how one would track receiving the broadcast.
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by vueko on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:06PM
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A traditional FM walkie-talkie, yes, passive, but a P25/DMR handheld radio, especially operating in trunked mode, not necessarily. One notorious example of this is P25's use of packet retransmission requests: https://www.mattblaze.org/papers/p25sec.pdf
A lot of worksite-oriented handheld radios these days are not just oldschool FM and use digital protocols to efficiently manage bandwidth, which can involve transmitting when not actually sending voice data. I haven't seen any confirmation of whether the affected devices were digital or not, but if they were buying COTS radio equipment there's a decent chance that they were.
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by bigfatkitten on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:09PM
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They were Icom IC-V82s. A long discontinued VHF FM radio.
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by vueko on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:25PM
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Interesting, thanks!
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by dexwiz on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:04PM
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Its hard but its not impossible. Functionally you need some very accurate equipment and some knowledge of the receiver. This is one of those areas where the military and government likely have approaches that are secret.
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by lukan on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:02PM
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If the walkie talkie remains a passiv listener, then no, but then it is also only half as useful. And a unmodified pager is a passive listener by default and cannot be tracked, which is why they were bought in the first place from Hezbollah.
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by zeroCalories on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:02PM
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Tracking radios like that is very hard when the signal is far away and in urban environments.
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by ajsnigrutin on Thursday September 19, 2024 @05:56PM
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How would you track a pager? It's a receive only device
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by tomrod on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:00PM
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Maybe they once were. Are there features now like receipt confirmation?
Re:Beirut airport bans pagers, walkie-talkies on all flights
by bigfatkitten on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:12PM
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There was for a while (Motorola ReFLEX), but it was never popular.[1]
The pagers in this case were very boring POCSAG receivers, no transmit capability.
EDIT: I meant walkie talkies. Old school pagers probably can't. Also I guess if you just use walkie talkies to listen to instructions. The station broadcasting can be tracked, however.