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Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by bbqfog on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @07:49PM (#41574112)
Has China ever blown up thousands of pagers in someone else's country?
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by sbarre on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @08:05PM (#41574218)
No but they run "re-education" internment camps for their own people (estimated up to 1.8M people) in their own country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by antimemetics on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @12:40AM (#41575863)
While I don’t agree with GP, this is a weak argument

> The United States leads the world in total number of people incarcerated, with more than 2 million prisoners nationwide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_...

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by nozzlegear on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @03:43AM (#41576916)
It's disingenuous to compare prisons with internment camps.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by immibis on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @03:51AM (#41576969)
Why?
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by kortilla on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @04:01AM (#41577046)
Because you go to prison for breaking the law
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by Prbeek on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:02AM (#41577831)
Fun fact. There are more people in US prisons than there ever were in Soviet gulags
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by nozzlegear on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @09:35AM (#41579526)
An interesting fact, though perhaps completely irrelevant since people were sent to the gulags for completely different reasons.

Fun fact. There are more people in the US education system than there ever were in Soviet gulags.

Just as irrelevant.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by master_crab on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:41AM (#41578041)
Or because you’re black.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by account42 on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @07:35AM (#41578435)
This doesn't really mean much when those laws include "you're not allowed to expose crimes by government" not to mention drug laws and copyright. At the end it's not any less arbitrary than whatever excuses the chinese government uses to intern those they don't like.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by kortilla on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:28AM (#41580983)
The laws are known a priori.

There are also no laws against exposing crimes by the government. You’re just not allowed to break other laws just because you’re doing so.

People very frequently successfully expose corruption and abuse by governments in the US. It just doesn’t make significant news unless it’s a major national politician, and that happens multiple times a year.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by immibis on Thursday September 19, 2024 @10:15AM (#41592107)
It is known a priori that the laws are so vague that everyone is breaking several. If the government chooses to find out which one you are breaking, you go to prison. If you expose crimes by the government, you may find yourself suddenly being investigated for something unrelated.

That's just the government interring whoever it doesn't like, with extra steps. Or making a law that says "we have to like you" with extra steps.

So again, what's the difference?

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by kortilla on Friday September 20, 2024 @03:07PM (#41604740)
No, the laws putting people in prison are not vague.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by immibis on Sunday September 22, 2024 @07:43AM (#41616376)
Sure they are. E.g. hate speech, antisemitism, threat to public order, threat to the integrity of the state. You know that Russian woman with the blank paper was also a threat to the integrity of the state.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by immibis on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @08:04AM (#41578680)
You also go to internment camps for breaking the law. So I repeat: how are they different?
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by ilbeeper on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @10:51AM (#41580436)
One is a failure of social order, product of greed, evil and stupidity. The other is the largest-scale arbitrary detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by kortilla on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:31AM (#41581030)
No, you get sent to internment camps because you’re a prisoner of war or because of some basic property of your being.

The comparison would be the Japanese internment camps the US had in WW2.

There is nothing like that today where citizens are being locked up without breaking any laws.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by immibis on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @03:04PM (#41650804)
In other words, for breaking the law, when the law says "don't be Japanese"
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by Maken on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:36AM (#41581125)
They also sent you to the gulags fog breaking the law.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by obscurette on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @01:32PM (#41582920)
No. While there were criminals also in gulags, most of people were there only because someone didn't like them or they happened to be wrong time in wrong place. That's it.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by immibis on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @03:04PM (#41650805)
No. They found a law you broke.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by UncleMeat on Thursday September 19, 2024 @09:03AM (#41591444)
The US defines what the law is. We've also got bucketloads of people sitting in jails prior to trial for nonviolent crimes.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @04:19AM (#41577175)
Not just re-education, genocide: https://newlinesinstitute.org/rules-based-international-orde... (link goes to the source report instead of editorialized versions)
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by ruraljuror on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @08:12PM (#41574270)
That is a bizarre standard but I would argue China’s fueling the US’s fentanyl crisis is far worse.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by longone on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @08:07PM (#41574232)
No. But does China have a horrible record on human rights and abuses? Yes. Have they been ethnically cleansing the Uyghur population for years now? Yes. Not to mention bullying and threatening all neighbors across the region. Just read about the recent worries over ZMPC cranes. The CCP will and has infiltrated private companies as a vector to spy on other countries. Maybe they haven't blown up pagers like this, but they've done other things that should make anyone skeptical of buying sensitive equipment from them.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by Sawamara on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @04:06AM (#41577079)
Oh wow, a country BULLYING its neighbors. Imagine a country doing that. Luckily, the US never does something like that. Or imposes sanctions on a country half a world away, sanctions which the entire world has to adhere to unless they want to lose US trading all together.

Some of these talking points fall apart upon typing them, let alone posting.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by nozzlegear on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @09:36PM (#41574835)
I don't think so, but neither have the US or EU to my recollection.