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Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by jrflowers on Monday September 16, 2024 @02:58AM (#41553456)
> How much societal progress has been killed from the amount of time spent watching Mr beast videos?

This is a good question. I would say that I don’t know how to quantify “societal progress” aside from arbitrary wishes that I can imagine, so I guess since we still have war, hunger, illness, poverty, crime and indignity in our society… all of it? All societal progress has possibly been killed by mrbeats.

I haven’t had a lot of time to reflect on this. What in particular do you envision society could have accomplished without this man on youtube?

Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by barrell on Monday September 16, 2024 @03:33AM (#41553650)
Since this clearly isn’t a good faith argument, I will concede you are right. The fact there are any problems prevalent in society is demonstrative proof that not a single hour has ever been wasted on YouTube. I will subscribe now to MrBeast.
Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by jrflowers on Monday September 16, 2024 @03:39AM (#41553684)
> Since this clearly isn’t a good faith argument

Was good faith lost when this question was asked

> How much societal progress has been killed from the amount of time spent watching Mr beast videos?

or when this question was asked

> What in particular do you envision society could have accomplished without this man on youtube?

Is it bad faith because I said I didn’t know how to answer specifically, or is it bad faith because you decline to answer on principle?

Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by barrell on Monday September 16, 2024 @03:50AM (#41553755)
Here is Claude's response:

Jrflowers' response exhibits a few cognitive biases and logical fallacies:

False dichotomy / black-and-white thinking: By suggesting that either all societal progress has been killed or none has, jrflowers presents an oversimplified view that ignores the nuanced reality.

Reductio ad absurdum: Taking the original question to an extreme conclusion ("all societal progress has possibly been killed") to make it seem ridiculous.

Straw man argument: Misrepresenting the original point to make it easier to attack. The original question asked about the potential impact, not claiming that all progress had been halted.

Sarcasm and dismissiveness: Rather than engaging with the question seriously, jrflowers responds with sarcasm, which doesn't contribute to a productive discussion.

Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by jrflowers on Monday September 16, 2024 @01:34PM (#41558437)
What did Claude say when you asked it to imagine what societal progress we could’ve had if the ketchup video hadn’t been made?
Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by dang on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @03:55AM (#41576999)
Hey you guys, please avoid getting caught in flamewars and especially please avoid tit-for-tat spats on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by jrflowers on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @04:21AM (#41577197)
Since this reply is to something a day old and identical to another one on an adjacent post, is this an automated post in response to the inclusion of the words “good/bad faith”?

If not and any criticism or even-surface-level inspection of how a question or statement is made, wouldn’t it be best to codify the “Yes, and…” improv rule (1) into your link (2)?

1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes,_and...

2 https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @05:02PM (#41585437)
<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40761301>

Mods on HN are people, and there's one person who posts publicly and responds to emails (dang). Moderator comments are not automated AFAICT, though they do lean heavily on standard language for all manner of self-evident reasons.

Mods also tend to get overwhelmed with busy threads and we've had a few particularly contentious ones in the past couple of days (middle-east conflicts).

Most HN moderation overall is accomplished through member votes and flags, and some automated tools to up- or down-rank submissions and automatically flag or kill submissions. There are a number of other factors at play, including the flamewar detector (<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40437018>, generally, posts with more comments than votes), and banned sites / userIDs. But none of those result in moderator comments to the thread.

If you have further questions, email mods with your concerns at [email protected]. They're quite patient in explanations, which is how I know much of what I'm saying here, along with reading dang's mod comments, as I did when I found this thread.

Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by dang on Sunday September 29, 2024 @10:14PM (#41692850)
Sorry I missed this - but here's the belated but simple answer: I posted both manually, but took care to make them say the exact same thing to make it clear that I wasn't taking one person's side over the other.

I only do that in cases where it's appropriate (e.g. where both people were breaking the site guidelines to approximately the same degree), but in such cases it's convenient because it cuts out the "why me? what about the other person?" complaints which otherwise tend to be common.

Re:How to Succeed in Mrbeast Production (Leaked PDF) by dang on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @03:55AM (#41576997)
Hey you guys, please avoid getting caught in flamewars and especially please avoid tit-for-tat spats on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html