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Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by dinobones on Monday September 16, 2024 @02:01AM (#41553188)
OAI revealed on Twitter that there is no "system" at inference time, this is just a model.

Did they maybe expand to a tree during training to learn more robust reasoning? Maybe. But it still comes down to a regular transformer model at inference time.

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by pizza on Monday September 16, 2024 @02:03AM (#41553205)
Source?
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by nell on Monday September 16, 2024 @03:51AM (#41553766)
> I wouldn't call o1 a "system". It's a model, but unlike previous models, it's trained to generate a very long chain of thought before returning a final answer

https://x.com/polynoamial/status/1834641202215297487

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by astrange on Monday September 16, 2024 @04:40AM (#41554020)
That answer seems to conflict with "in the future we'd like to give users more control over the thinking time".

I've gotten mini to think harder by asking it to, but it didn't make a better answer. Though now I've run out of usage limits for both of them so can't try any more…

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by bratwurst3000 on Monday September 16, 2024 @08:15AM (#41555253)
i am telling claude to give me not the obvious answer. that put thinking time up and the quality of answers is better. hope it helps.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by qeternity on Monday September 16, 2024 @06:36AM (#41554667)
I'm not convinced there isn't more going on behind the scenes but influencing test-time compute via prompt is a pretty universal capability.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by whimsicalism on Monday September 16, 2024 @12:35PM (#41557846)
not in a way that it is effectively used - in real life all of the papers using CoT compare against a weak baseline and the benefits level off extremely quickly.

nobody except for recent deepmind research has shown test time scaling like o1

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by ValentinA23 on Monday September 16, 2024 @09:27AM (#41555843)
Quiet-STaR: Language Models Can Teach Themselves to Think Before Speaking

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.09629

> In the Self-Taught Reasoner (STaR, Zelikman et al. 2022), useful thinking is learned by inferring rationales from few-shot examples in question-answering and learning from those that lead to a correct answer. This is a highly constrained setting – ideally, a language model could instead learn to infer unstated rationales in arbitrary text. We present Quiet-STaR, a generalization of STaR in which LMs learn to generate rationales at each token to explain future text, improving their predictions.

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>We generate thoughts, in parallel, following all tokens in the text (think). The model produces a mixture of its next-token predictions with and without a thought (talk). We apply REINFORCE, as in STaR, to increase the likelihood of thoughts that help the model predict future text while discarding thoughts that make the future text less likely (learn).

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by quantadev on Monday September 16, 2024 @10:56AM (#41556740)
I don't think you can claim you know what's happening internally when OpenAI processes a request. They are a competitive company and will lie for competitive reasons. Most people think Q-Star is doing multiple inferences to accomplish a single task, and that's what all the evidence suggests. Whatever Sam Altman says means absolutely nothing, but I don't think he's claimed they use only a single inference either.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by whimsicalism on Monday September 16, 2024 @12:34PM (#41557834)
what is “all the evidence”? please share
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by quantadev on Monday September 16, 2024 @02:17PM (#41558888)
I recommend getting on Twitter to follow closely the leading individuals in the field of AI, and also watch the leading Youtube channels dedicated to AI research.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by whimsicalism on Monday September 16, 2024 @02:32PM (#41559044)
can you link to one speculating about multiple inferences for their CoT? i am curious

e: answer to my own question https://x.com/_xjdr/status/1835352391648158189

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by quantadev on Monday September 16, 2024 @02:56PM (#41559291)
So far it's been unanimous. Everyone I've heard talk about it believes Strawberry is mainly just CoT. I'm not saying they didn't fine tune a model too, I'm just saying I agree with most people that clever CoT is where most of the leap in capability seems to have come from.
Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by whimsicalism on Monday September 16, 2024 @03:36PM (#41559750)
> believes Strawberry is mainly just CoT. I'm not saying they didn't fine tune a model too

You don't see the scaling with respect to token length with non-FT'd CoT like this, in my opinion.

Re:g1: Using Llama-3.1 70B on Groq to create o1-like reasoni... by quantadev on Monday September 16, 2024 @04:03PM (#41560102)
I haven't even added Strawberry support to my app yet, and so haven't checked what it's context length is, but you're right that additional context length is a scaling factor that's totally independent of whether CoT is used or not.

I'm just saying whatever hey did in their model, I think they also added CoT on top of it all, as the outer layer of the onion so to speak.