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Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by Aeolun on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:09PM (#41494627)
I don’t know any part of the world still using SMS. What part of the world is that?
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by mattnewton on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:35PM (#41494926)
Countries where telecom competition lead to unlimited sms early enough and/or iPhone/iMessage adoption meant people weren’t motivated to install third party apps. The US and to a lesser extend the UK are the only countries I’m aware of this happening? But the UK plans added unlimited sms later and so WhatsApp has >50% market penetration there unlike the US.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by lloeki on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:58PM (#41495170)
(responding to both) France. We've had unlimited SMS plans since what, 2005? It's been a guaranteed solid 10-15+ years nobody thinks that SMS used to be a paid-per-unit (whether you got a package or not) thing.

Sure people use a variety of messenger apps, Whatsapp, Messenger, Instagram, Telegram, Signal, Snapchat. Since you don't have a guarantee that any one person is using this or that the default messaging app (Messages on iOS, whatever it is on Android) SMS is the safest bet that always works. That's typically what people use when they get someone 's contact: hand over phone, ask to type number in focused input field, send $firstname SMS; bam, handshake done.

> WhatsApp has >50% market penetration there

Lots of people here have WhatsApp. Doesn't mean it's their go-to, they still don't ditch SMS[0] nor dunk on "green bubbles". And then if both parties have an iPhone it just so happens that they obliviously converse over iMessage as a side effect.

[0] Except for group chats. But then they just create groups in whatever's at hand, which may or may not be WhatsApp. And that's mostly because SMS group messaging is thoroughly broken (as in it works more like email than IRC and people want the latter). But for 1:1? SMS is brutally consistent.

Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by michaelt on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @07:50AM (#41499813)
Apps like Whatsapp provide (a) groups, (b) picture messages, (c) end-to-end encryption, (d) very low spam rate and (e) free messaging, even internationally.

So there's often motivation to install your country's dominant messaging app beyond just the cost of SMS.

Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by mattnewton on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @10:54PM (#41507622)
it’s a very real friction to install a third party app and ensure the people you want to talk to install it too, when all you really want to do is send short texts and images.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by input_sh on Monday September 09, 2024 @06:55PM (#41495140)
A good indicator is how expensive SMS was back when smartphones were brand new.

If they were expensive, users jumped ship right away. If they were nearly free, people just kept using them on brand new devices as there were no compelling enough arguments to switch.

To answer your question more directly, Sweden comes to mind.

Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by secondcoming on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:05PM (#41495232)
I’m not sure where you are, but when I first got a phone in maybe 1998 SMS was completely free. No concept of limits at all. It was only when it became popular that network operators started charging for them. Now nobody uses them for anything except receiving 2FA codes
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by FpUser on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:13PM (#41495302)
I use SMS in Canada, so does everybody I know. Businesses also use SMS a lot.