Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by tracerbulletx on Thursday September 05, 2024 @01:55PM
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This point of view will be wrong in the long term. There are about 10 billion obvious things you can do with transformers as they are today that just haven't been done yet, and it's pretty likely one of these labs will iterate on transformers and make them much more powerful.
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by tracerbulletx on Thursday September 05, 2024 @05:21PM
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The power for transformers is the generalizability of being able to learn a function to transform an arbitrary input signal in any modality into an arbitrary output signal in any other modality. Chat is fine, image generators fine, universal translation was more than fine. But any thing that can have a symbolic representation is a target for creating a new product using transformers. I think the big value will come from some random obscure places like CAD or real time graphics pipelines. I just think it will be a victory of a million paper cuts where it gets more cost effective than the alternatives in a million various industries. It will just be a ubiquitous technique when solving computing problems and people are going to create more specific datasets for specific problems and continue to get each industrial usage to a level where it's good enough at each task to change each market.
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by benterix on Friday September 06, 2024 @02:50AM
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People are already trying that with CAD and so on. Still, the main challenges are still there: enormous power needed to train the model (within reasonable time) and relatively powerful hardware to actually use it, inconsistency in output, bugs that you can't meaningfully debug. You might be right about many things above but so far traditional algorithms remain a far better option for many of these use cases (deterministic and efficient).
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by Haugsevje on Thursday September 05, 2024 @03:38PM
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On the contrary! My gut feeling is that the AI hype has already paid itself in saved work hours and more. He joins the ranks of middle aged men scared that their know-how is loosing value (which it is).
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by tsurba on Thursday September 05, 2024 @02:02PM
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The writer should stick with nontechnical points since they clearly don’t understand why the models currently used are not deterministic. It’s trivial to make them deterministic.
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by rtkwe on Thursday September 05, 2024 @02:05PM
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For the first the big difference between genAI hallucinations and people imo is that you can meaningfully reason with a person, address where they may be getting incorrect information, and assuming they're willing get them to do better in the future. None of that is really possible with things like ChatGPT at the moment. You can't teach it anything you have to wait for a new version. You can give some preambles that get it to work a little better, thinking logically or showing step by step, but it still can't count the number of Rs in strawberry.
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by gaganyaan on Thursday September 05, 2024 @06:14PM
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The r's in strawberry thing is an artifact of tokenization. Ask it to spell it out with dashes between the letters or something first and it'll do fine.
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by say_it_as_it_is on Thursday September 05, 2024 @01:56PM
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> This study evaluates the impact of generative AI on software developer productivity by analyzing data from three randomized controlled trials conducted at Microsoft, Accenture, and an anonymous Fortune 100 electronics manufacturing company. These field experiments, which were run by the companies as part of their ordinary course of business, provided a randomly selected subset of developers with access to GitHub Copilot, an AI-based coding assistant that suggests intelligent code completions. Though each separate experiment is noisy, combined across all three experiments and 4,867 software developers, our analysis reveals a 26.08% increase (SE: 10.3%) in the number of completed tasks among developers using the AI tool. Notably, less experienced developers showed higher adoption rates and greater productivity gains.
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by lumost on Thursday September 05, 2024 @02:05PM
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A 26% productivity increase is... pretty big? There is obviously some noise in the data. But given copilots are pretty new pieces of tech, it does not seem impossible that there could be at least a 2x productivity growth available within the next 6-8 years. Given that SWE work is not particularly differentiated from CAD and similar types of knowledge work... is it really that unreasonable that AI could double the productivity of knowledge workers by 2030?
That's certainly worth a few trillion dollars in economic growth.
Re:We need to check the gen AI hype and get back to reality
by svachalek on Thursday September 05, 2024 @02:06PM
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The last statement rings very true for me. When I'm coding up something in my bread and butter language and libraries, current LLMs can rarely help me do something faster than I can do it myself. But when I'm trying to write a script in an unfamiliar language, it's much easier to let an LLM do it and fix the parts it got wrong, than to figure out how to write it all in the first place.
The first two points the author fails to explain how that’s different from any human giving you information.
The last point fails to acknowledge that people actually like Uber over cabs for the most part, despite what they might cost.
ah yes, uber was so cheap checks notes... 2 years before it raised its $1.25m seed round in 2010...
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4945566
That's certainly worth a few trillion dollars in economic growth.