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Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by cjbenedikt on Sunday September 01, 2024 @12:07PM (#41418006)
Speaking from personal experience: tt depends on what level of a musician you aim to become. If you intend to be one of the top classical solo musicians (violin, cello, piano, flue etc.) you will have to practice 8h a day - every day - for years. Even if you "only" aim for a top position on a major orchestra.
Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by naveen99 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @03:38PM (#41419696)
Where are we with robot solo musicians ?
Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by aithrowaway1987 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @03:59PM (#41419857)
If you care about music: at least 100 years, almost certainly much longer. I don't think any of us in this comment section will live to see an AI that truly understands human music.

If you care about money and don't mind making the world a more terrible place: humiliate a few dozen human classical pianists by making them record hundreds of hours of motion capture, invest in engineering a good robo-arm, and I would guess in 5 years you'd have something passable.

Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by naveen99 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @04:07PM (#41419930)
I would think self play and record would be enough to iterate. chess engines don’t really need any human games any more and can learn from self play from scratch. I don’t see why music would be different.
Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by necubi on Sunday September 01, 2024 @04:43PM (#41420228)
Games are "easy" for reinforcement learning because they have win conditions that can be automatically evaluated. Music isn't really like that.
Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by Lewton on Sunday September 01, 2024 @04:08PM (#41419934)
record players are perfect
Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by KaiserPro on Sunday September 01, 2024 @05:34PM (#41420590)
robot lips are pretty poor. They exist, but not at the point of making brass/wind instruments practical.

most other things can be operated adequately by robots.

But then, you're better off with either synthesisers or direct genAI synthesis.

However I do wonder what the point of offloading the distillation of human emotion to robots is. The whole point of music is that it contains what someone _feels_.

Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by magnetowasright on Sunday September 01, 2024 @10:19PM (#41422085)
Some new Steinway pianos have a 'high resolution player piano' feature where the performances of concert pianists can be played back on your Steinway. Not really a robot soloist, but I thought it was interesting. Not interesting enough that if I suddenly came into Steinway money I'd get one with that feature, though.
Re:Athletes/musicians pursue fundamentals more rigorously th... by cjbenedikt on Thursday September 05, 2024 @02:53PM (#41459460)
I am skeptical to a robot's ability to interpret a piece of music from say Gershwin, Bernstein, Mozart or Beethoven. The beauty of human musicians is that each high level musician my have his own approach to a given piece of music. It is not just about the scores written but to interpret what the composer might have thought or felt. A robot playing these pieces might send the a.m. composers spinning in their graves.