May help break DRM? But not sure

PC Blu-ray players all require SGX. Now that's permanently broken.

Apparently that's been on the way out for a while now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32442894

Now I'm curious, thouyh: Have there really never been any software Blu-ray players supporting AMD?

Blu-ray is fine, it's Ultra Blu-Ray (aka Blu-Ray 4k) that needs SGX for officially licensed playback. No AMD support there. But non licensed play back is fine.

I think it was already broken?

37C3 - Full AACSess: Exposing and Exploiting AACSv2 Uhd Drm for Your Viewing Pleasure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEBuiecLZGg

Some of Signal's designs for contact privacy, including in the new usernames feature, rely on trust in SGX.

If anyone (including Signal) can pretend to be a secure SGX environment, you're back to trusting Signal's personnel/operations, rather than Intel/SGX, for some of the metadata/contact privacy they've historically touted.

More info (2020): https://medium.com/@maniacbolts/signal-increases-their-relia...

Just to expand on this, since it wasn't originally clear to me from reading your post, the contact privacy feature is about using SGX enclaves for the purpose of populating your known contacts on Signal. When you log into Signal for the first time your phone locally has all of your known contacts, and the Signal app wants to know which of these contacts already have Signal accounts. The secure enclave is a mechanism where you publish your entire contact list from your phone to the Signal servers, then they can send back the subset of those contacts that actually have Signal accounts. The point of the enclave is that this is all done in a way where Signal can't see what contacts you sent them, nor can they determine which contacts were matched and sent back to you.

That seems like misplaced trust. There’s no way US Government does not have a back door to SGX. Which is probably why Signal is using that in the first place.

Upd: I was mistaken, Signal does not seem to have taken investment from In-Q-Tel

Citation needed?

No, not needed IMO. Given the 3 letter agencies' modus operandi, US corporations need to prove the reverse is true, be they established ones such as Intel, MS or startups.

Agreed, it's a fact that any US corporation will not be allowed to run lest they give the gov access to the data they hold (cref lavabit). I've never really understood the trust given to Signal in the tech community when a hard identity is required (phone #) and it immediately asks you to send your whole contact list to them on first run.

We know from Snowden that metadata about who is communicating with whom, and when, is one of their most valuable data streams. While signal may not be able to turn over the contents of your messages, they absolutely retain a rich stream of metadata.

> they absolutely retain a rich stream of metadata.

* they absolutely receive a rich stream of metadata.

You mean the telephone contacts / contact list stored in iCloud and Google cloud? Probably it’s a hard problem to solve and this, using the sgx is signals best guess of an acceptable approach. I think the nsa has simpler ways to access the data in question than through signal.

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You raise an interesting point. In the case of Intel's SGX feature, can you propose how they might do this?

Users can generate key pairs themselves, once, and the public keys can be used to sign architectural enclaves post factum. Each enclave's cryptographic hash of the contents is only generated then.

This way, the users are only as secure as they want to be. The code would need to be signed using each one's public key, but we're talking about specialised software here.

Compare this to the de facto standard, where US corporations hold the private keys to everything hardware (off the top of my head, processor, UEFI) and everything software (SSL root keys, IP addresses, DNS).

We already have libpairip and play integrity on android, let's not bring it over to desktop processors.

You can't prove the reverse

It wasn't In-Q-Tel; but it was still essentially the CIA. Signal received millions in funding from the Open Technology Fund, an investment wing of Radio Free Europe, an organization founded as a CIA propaganda front.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191013092540/https://www.opent...

it's used quite a bit in finance for things like transaction signing. the keys used to create signatures only ever exist within the SGX enclave, similar to how yubikeys and HSMs do the same thing.

compromising SGX wouldn't suddenly open up all of these transactions to exploitation though, since the attacker would need (presumably root) access to the machine and the keys could always be rolled.

I'm no expert but I suspect it would mean urgent firmware updates for anyone relying on SGX