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Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Thursday August 22, 2024 @07:09AM (#41318903)
> Instead, researchers say humans may have braced the butt of their pointed spears against the ground and angled the weapon upward in a way that would impale a charging animal. The force would have driven the spear deeper into the predator's body, unleashing a more damaging blow than even the strongest prehistoric hunters would have been capable of on their own.

I used to think humans were badass for hunting mammoths with throwing spears. But this is just a whole next level. Apparently hunting mammoths involved:

1. Getting a mammoth to charge you full speed

2. Standing your ground

3. At the right moment planting your spear in the ground

4. Holding the spear at the right angle as tons of angry mammoth crashes into it

5. Moving out of the way so you don’t get crushed by the dying mammoth.

Completely badass!

Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by gus_massa on Thursday August 22, 2024 @07:35AM (#41319080)
It's weird that they call the mammoths "predator" when they were herbivores and we were hunting them.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by Terr_ on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:46PM (#41370480)
I think the context for that section has shifted to "a charging animal" of unspecified diet, but I agree that "predator" is still a mismatch.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by konfusinomicon on Thursday August 22, 2024 @08:27AM (#41319506)
the technique is known as the Anthony Hopkins edge and its a surefire way to take out large ill-tempered beasts
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by poikroequ on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @03:21PM (#41371747)
You beat me to it :(
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday August 22, 2024 @04:02PM (#41323918)
I don't know how true it is but when I was a kid, I remember seeing an illustration in a book that showed this technique to demonstrate how Maasai boys killed lions.

Kill the lion and you go home as a man; don't kill the lion and you're a meal.

Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by duderific on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:43PM (#41370437)
Then: 9-year-old kills lion, becomes a man

Now: 9-year-old not allowed to walk to friend's house without an adult

Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by andoando on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:21PM (#41370937)
In our village the 8-10 year old boys would be responsible for herding the cows back home from the mountains at night as well as riding a horse to the town over to trade milk and cheese.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by lostlogin on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:07PM (#41370783)
Both paths teach that man is the dangerous one.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by nonameiguess on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:12PM (#41370840)
The Maasai still exist, dude, and killing a lion is still a normal rite of passage.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by kjkjadksj on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:48PM (#41370509)
Well yeah, the training between the two 9 year olds is entirely different. One was taught to fend off lions the other was given an ipad and youtube.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by bcrosby95 on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:56PM (#41370614)
The same is probably true for most kids the last 100 (or more) years. When I was 9 I was busy training to hit balls with a stick.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by kridsdale3 on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:34PM (#41371114)
That still makes you far more of a warrior than Jimmy Roblox.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by rolph on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:23PM (#41370966)
bo staff, or baseball bat?
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by bcrosby95 on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @05:03PM (#41373016)
Baseball bat. I didn't know people used a bo staff to hit balls.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @05:10PM (#41373084)
Well...
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by bcrosby95 on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @11:28PM (#41375646)
Lol. That didn't even register at first. Whoosh.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by hooverd on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:46PM (#41370481)
Due to a lack of lions, 9-year-olds today should kill a car instead, I guess.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by aleph_minus_one on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:23PM (#41370963)
> Due to a lack of lions, 9-year-olds today should kill a car instead, I guess.

You mean children should, for example, throw a big brick from a bridge over a highway - and then run away?!

This is not the kind of thing that I believe 9-year-olds should learn. :-(

Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by hooverd on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @03:09PM (#41371597)
I forgot the sarcasm marker.

Regardless, cars certainly predate on more 9-year-olds than lions do in this day and age.

Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by keybored on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @04:30PM (#41372620)
Children aren’t taunted into killing apex predators any more. What a fucking comment on society am I right.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by markatto on Thursday August 22, 2024 @09:33PM (#41325595)
This is similar to how wild boar was hunted in Europe - there were special spears made with extra crossbars to reduce the chance of a boar reaching the spear holder after being impaled.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by the__alchemist on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @12:27PM (#41369351)
Later, they learned to, after inciting the boar, run towards the center of town, then overcome it with arrows just as it arrived.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by faanghacker on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @12:41PM (#41369574)
11
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by throwaway6734 on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:15PM (#41370102)
to those unaware: 11 is the laughing taunt in aoe2 and is used in the community like lol. the poster above was describing how you hunt a boar in aoe2 which is a vital source of food in early game. it is risky to use your towncenter to weaken a boar because if you kill it with the towncenter you can not harvest the food
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by Terr_ on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:42PM (#41370429)
Thanks, I think that's a style/level of in-joke that needed an explanation for the wider audience. Particularly since the first arrow-part sounds almost plausible. (And "11" on its own is unlikely to give many useful hits.)
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by andoando on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:18PM (#41370903)
wololo
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by Bluestein on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @03:07PM (#41371571)
(And this - of course is what AoE shaman/priest/religious units would chant to "convert" enemy units to their side ... :)
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by morbicer on Sunday August 25, 2024 @06:13AM (#41346112)
I don't know how much this is based on science but our history (and popular) books about ice age always depicted a hunting method that involves a dug out pit with spikes. Then the hunters would chase the animal and steer it towards the pit, where the mammoth gets trapped and they could finish him off.

Maked sense to me as a kid because directly attacking a thick wooled mammoth with stone tips on sticks wouldn't be feasible.

I guess the theory from the article could work too, it's more flexible than betting on chasing the animal to a specific pit.

But I am surprised the pit method isn't mentioned at all as an option in the article.

Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by kubanczyk on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:00PM (#41370679)
It's a question of a typical behavior of mammoth. One method would work if an encircled mammoth was apt to charge humans. The other method would work if a mammoth was prone to panic and always ran away from aggressors. Looking however at the size of the animal, I doubt if the latter was its survival strategy.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by brabel on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:06PM (#41369968)
I think our ancestors may have made use of ropes and simple wooden frames to lift the spears and hold them at the right angle, from a safe distance.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by jcgrillo on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:51PM (#41370551)
I doubt you'd have enough control or the right vantage point to strike a killing blow from the end of a rope. You need to puncture vitals or you'll just end up with a very angry mammoth with a spear sticking out of it. So "steering" the spear to the point of impact and reacting precisely in the last fraction of a second is important. A modern corollary might be trying to shoot clays by steering your shotgun with a rope.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by 0cf8612b2e1e on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @02:41PM (#41371199)
So long as you can survive the encounter, if you inflict any kind of decent wound, wouldn’t the animal eventually die due to blood loss or infection? Not at metal as an immediate kill, but whatever works.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by jcgrillo on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @03:25PM (#41371815)
Even hitting vitals won't be "immediate", you'll still have some hectic moments/minutes dodging the thrashing mammoth. But if you don't strike a mortal blow the danger is much greater because the animal won't weaken and slow down. Instead it'll get pissed and probably fight back even harder.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by kiliantics on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @04:03PM (#41372329)
I think rope, at least of any appreciable length and strength, is a much more modern technology.
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by gv123 on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:10PM (#41370023)
as shown in the movie 10,000 BC
Re:To kill mammoths in the Ice Age, people used planted pike... by jcgrillo on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:55PM (#41370601)
I wonder how common it was to be mortally injured by a breaking spear? If the spear is too heavy it's slow to move and less likely to result in a quick kill, if it's too light it'll break off without penetrating deep enough for a kill. Engineering trade-offs our ancestors must have pondered.