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Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by jazzyjackson on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @07:16AM (#41309107)
Are you making several times as much money?

IME LLMs are great at giving you the experience of learning, in the same way sugar gives you the experience of nourishment

Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by barrkel on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @07:43AM (#41309290)
Developer productivity doesn't map very directly to compensation. If one engineer is 10x as productive as another, they're lucky if they get 2x the compensation.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by amelius on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @08:10AM (#41309463)
The 10x engineer will just start their own company.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by Rinzler89 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @08:43AM (#41309717)
A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company.

Sure, you have your John Carmaks' or Antirezs' of the industry who are 10x programmers and also successful founders but those guys are 1 in a million.

But your usual 10x engineer you'll meet is the guy who knows the ins and outs of all running systems at work giving him the ability to debug and solve issues 10x quicker than the rest, knowledge which is highly specific to the products of that company and is often non-transferrable and also not useful at entrepreneurship.

Becoming the 10x engineer at a company usually means pigeonholing yourself in the deep inner workings of the products, which may or may not be useful later. If that stack is highly custom or proprietary it might work in your favor making you the 10x guy virtually unfireable being able to set your own demands since only you can solve the issues, or might backfire against you at a round of layoffs as your knowledge of that specific niche has little demand elsewhere.

Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by randomdata on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:40AM (#41310776)
> But your usual 10x engineer you'll meet is the guy who knows the ins and outs of all running systems at work giving him the ability to debug and solve issues 10x quicker than the rest

You're talking about the 100x engineer now. The 10x engineer is the normal engineer you are probably accustomed to working with. When you encounter a 1x engineer, you will be shocked at how slow and unproductive they are.

Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by Rinzler89 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @12:50PM (#41312021)
>When you encounter a 1x engineer, you will be shocked at how slow and unproductive they are.

Well, Of Course I Encountered Him. He's Me.

Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by randomdata on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @12:52PM (#41312046)
Unlikely, given that you see the 100x engineer as being only a 10x level up.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by MR4D on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @06:55PM (#41314983)
Can’t be you. Self awareness is not a feature of 1x engineers.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by mateo411 on Friday August 23, 2024 @04:35PM (#41332866)
I guess that means the fastest way to become better than a 1x engineer is to declare that you are 1x engineer. Makes sense to me!
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by rightbyte on Thursday August 22, 2024 @04:05AM (#41317900)
You are using the deca-engineer scale.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by kybernetyk on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:09AM (#41310471)
>A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company.

AI can help with that.

Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by Rinzler89 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:11AM (#41310483)
We'd all be millionaires if AI could actually help with that, but then if everyone is a millionaire then nobody is.

Current AI is still at the state of recommending people jump off the golden gate bridge if they feel sad or telling them to change their blinker fluid.

Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by kybernetyk on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:17AM (#41310541)
You're right. And that's why I wonder how a developer can claim to get a 300% increase in productivity from AI results.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by Rinzler89 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:23AM (#41310599)
You can easily get 300% productivity improvements if you're using a completely new language but still have enough programming background in order to refine the prompts to get what you want, or if you're debugging an issue and the LLM points you in the right way saving you hours of googling and slamming your head against the wall.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by oceanplexian on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @02:15PM (#41312742)
300% is a massive underestimate for someone who is AI native and understands how to prompt and interpret results correctly. In the past I would spend 30-40 minutes hunting around on StackOverflow to get the syntax of a difficult database query or bust out a long regular expression.

With AI I can do the same in 15 seconds. We’re talking a 120x increase in productivity not a 3x improvement.

Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by jononor on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @04:56PM (#41314127)
Do you spend 100% of your time on such tasks? If not, then Amdahl wants a word with you about your overall productivity gains.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by m_fayer on Thursday August 22, 2024 @04:19AM (#41317967)
Agreed, I don’t know why people are so down on ai as a coding assistant here. I concur with everything you said, and will add that now I also have a service that will produce, on-demand, the exact documentation that I need at the exact level of abstraction, and then I can interrogate it at will. These things are huge time savers.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by cambaceres on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @08:10AM (#41309460)
No but I can work 2-3 hours a day (WFH) while delivering results that my boss is very happy with. I would prefer to be paid 3 times as much and working 8 hours a day, but I'm ok with this too.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by Rinzler89 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @08:24AM (#41309575)
Like with all productivity gains in history, this won't last too long once management realizes this and squeezes deadlines by 2-3x since it will be expected for everyone to use LLMs at work to get things done 2-3 faster than before.
Re:Artificial intelligence is losing hype by listenallyall on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @08:30PM (#41315547)
Additionally, there's a limit to how much "productivity gains" on the tech side can cause actual positive business results. Going from an ugly, slow website to a fresh one will only increase revenue a small percentage, same with building a better shopping cart, fixing some obscure errors, etc. The majority of the web already works pretty well, there is no flood of new revenue coming in as a result of the majority of tech innovation.

Which means that after a brief honeymoon period, the effect of AI will be to heavily reduce labor costs, rather than push for turbocharged "productivity" with greatly diminishing returns.