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Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by criddell on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @04:13PM (#41303586)
> more efficient

Depends on what you are optimizing for.

I can drive to work in 15 minutes, door-to-door. I used to ride the bus and sometimes I would be waiting that long just for the bus to appear.

The other factor is weather. Not many of the bus shelters around me (I’m in Austin) are air conditioned. Right now it’s 103F / 39C with a feels-like temperature of 107 / 42. Depending on your health, just walking around can be dangerous.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by sroussey on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @04:25PM (#41303704)
I don’t live in a place where just walking around can be dangerous to my health.
Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by dylan604 on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @04:28PM (#41303737)
well, aren't you special then. what's the point of this comment?
Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by estebank on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @04:29PM (#41303742)
You need to compare not against what you currently have, but rather what you'd have if there was political will and budgets comparable to what was spent on the existing car infrastructure. Otherwise is saying that no-one wants a bridge to cross a river because no-one swims across.
Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by criddell on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @04:47PM (#41303880)
Well that's a problem. I'm not willing to pay anywhere near as much for public transportation as I am for a private vehicle and everything that goes with that.

But I do think you are on the right track. I think public transportation in the form of buses doesn't make a lot of sense. But if Musk had been able to deliver on his promise of self-driving cars, then a giant city operated (or at least funded) fleet of small autonomous vehicles offering door-to-door service and route flexibility could change everything.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by oblio on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @05:15PM (#41304152)
Self driving cars don't solve high traffic volumes. Cars just can't move enough people per hour, I think the average lane can move about 1800 cars per hour and most people don't share rides unless forced to. So that means about 1800-2500 people per hour per lane. A decent subway moves about 20 000 people per hour per line, I think.

Cars are low to medium density transport, at best.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by bsder on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @05:58PM (#41304528)
> most people don't share rides unless forced to.

That wasn't true in the past. My father used to carpool with other teachers for 20+ years. I remember a lot of carpooling through the 1980s and into the mid 1990s where it fizzled out.

I would suggest, however, that self-driving cars would be fine for carpooling. Most people would have no problem carpooling with a self-driving car if it always picked up the same bunch of people every day. If I can commute in 35 minutes or take a self-driving carpool for 45 because it stopped to pick up 3 other people from my department along the way, that would be fine.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by vel0city on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @06:22PM (#41304718)
People got into carpooling because of the oil crises. Then the oil glut happened, things got cheap again, those carpool groups broke up, and it became uncommon again.
Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by yongjik on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @04:57PM (#41303984)
Sounds like you experienced car vs. bus in a car-optimized city and liked the former, which is pretty understandable.

In a bus-optimized city, you'd be saying something like "Sure I can drive to work in 15 minutes, but it takes 5 minutes to park, costs $20 a day, and it's ten minutes walking from the parking lot to the office. Much better to take a bus that stops right across the street."

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by hombre_fatal on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @07:39PM (#41305208)
Also, very few US cities have the balls to give buses their own lane. So any time you take the bus, you sit in the same traffic as everyone who took their car instead of zooming past traffic like you should be doing.
Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by Gud on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @05:17PM (#41304174)
Have you been to a city(and country) with a good public transport system? I live in Zürich(not from here) and it blows my mind how convenient it is to walk 25 meters to the nearest tram stop and easily get to anywhere in the city.

I used to think like you, that having car was a necessity, even freedom. Now I see it for what it is, a ball and chain.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by j-bos on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @06:50PM (#41304902)
- The municipality of Zurich has an area of 91.88km² - The Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, urban area (excluding huge swaths of land where people live and presumably need commute from) has an area of 4,524.44km²

Numbers taken from wikipedia.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by s1artibartfast on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @07:58PM (#41305334)
To be fair to the parent poster as well, almost everyone within the 5000km2 around Zurich is within a couple minutes walk of public transport.

It is really is quite remarkable. However, I think this is enabled by expensive high density apartment housing.

Americans would consider the apartment sizes inhumane and a supermajority of the population are locked out of our owning a home.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by Gud on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:44AM (#41307130)
You are making the argument that Americans would consider it inhumane to live in Swiss apartments because they are too small?
Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by s1artibartfast on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @11:12AM (#41311095)
I was being hyperbolic, but yes, I think they would consider them too small and too old. Many would simply be illegal in the US due to their lack of amenities.
Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by Gud on Thursday August 22, 2024 @05:23AM (#41318280)
Sorry, but the Swiss are excellent builders. I would guess there is a big cultural difference between where Americans and Europeans(in general) spend their days. I would guess Americans spend their days at home watching television while Swiss in particular are more outdoorsy and do a lot more activities.

I don't know why you think there are fewer amenities here than in the US. What specific amenities do you think are lacking?

a 15 minute walk from me there are public baths(free, including the amazing Limmat river with crystal clear water), hiking(free), amazing bars, night clubs and restaurants.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by s1artibartfast on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @07:40PM (#41305213)
Switzerland in its entirety is less than 10% of California and smaller than San Bernardino county.

That said, US Metro cores are denser than anything in CH but have worse transit, demonstrating the importance of door to door analysis. Nobody wants to commute via mixed private and public transport.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by weissbier on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @07:18PM (#41305083)
I think it's difficult for Europeans to grasp the size of the US.

Texas alone is twice the size of Germany - which is really crazy.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by Gud on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:42AM (#41307124)
Why would that be difficult?
Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by devilbunny on Thursday August 22, 2024 @02:24PM (#41323066)
An intuitive grasp of the size of the US eludes a lot of Americans, let alone a lot of Europeans.

When an American says, "that is a three-day drive", they don't mean it will take three days of six hours a day with breaks every hour or two. They mean it will take three days of driving 12+ hours a day with 10-minute breaks every three or four hours. NY to LA is around 41 hours of actual driving per Google. So three consecutive 14-hour days just in the car, not counting getting a hotel room along the way, eating, using the bathroom, showering...

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by Gud on Sunday August 25, 2024 @12:55PM (#41348889)
It was said specifically while in this discussion, directed at me. I travel world wide for work, 350 days a year. I know exactly how big the globe is. That I would drive across a continent is ludicrous.

That many American cities are these monstrosities where car travel is the only way to navigate is because of poor design not out of necessity. The American car industry managed to halt the installation of public transport to a more effective degree than their European counterparts in the 50-60s.

This is not because Los Angeles is bigger than Zürich, or that it takes twice as long to cross the US compared to Europe by car.

In Zürich and Switzerland, they have highly effective trains. The US could do the same, but choose not to.

Re:Why Are Texas Interchanges So Tall? by Gud on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:50AM (#41307157)
What's the argument here, it's not possible to make train/metro/tram-lines long enough?

Everytime(without fail) I mention how fantastic public transport can be using Zürich as an example, Americans mention that the "US is simply too big".

But that is not an argument! Build more lines? London also has a pretty solid public transport system(though not as great as it could be, due to how car centric the country is).