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Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by punk-coder on Thursday August 08, 2024 @08:41PM (#41197817)
I have a friend that is the drummer in a band that had a couple big hits in the 90’s, not going to drop names, but their contemporaries are bands like Collective Soul, Gin Blossoms, that kind of stuff. They have a few gold records. To this day they still tour every year and make enough money off touring and royalties to make a good living. I grew up on punk and thrash metal, so had never heard of his band, so it surprised me how close to 30 years later they still get booked at Disney and on rock cruises, but happy he still gets to keep doing that.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by golergka on Thursday August 08, 2024 @10:16PM (#41198282)
Once you get into a heart of a teen, you remain there for the rest of his life. Many bands well past their peak have a revival of private bookings now, as people who were teens back then become rich people who can book a band for a party.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by verisimi on Friday August 09, 2024 @12:51AM (#41198863)
> Once you get into a heart of a teen, you remain there for the rest of his [or *her*] life.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by pvaldes on Friday August 09, 2024 @04:34AM (#41199949)
Both. There are a lot of fascinating women in music also.

But is a valid point

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by Gettingolderev on Friday August 09, 2024 @07:33AM (#41200833)
He wrote it from his perspective.

come on...

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by verisimi on Friday August 09, 2024 @07:50AM (#41200941)
He says "a teen". It's just incorrect grammar. He could have said 'his or her heart' or 'their heart', but not every teen is a 'he'.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by FredPret on Friday August 09, 2024 @08:20AM (#41201104)
Still entirely possible it’s from his perspective.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by marcuskane2 on Friday August 09, 2024 @11:49AM (#41202964)
Interestingly, when I was in school, we were taught that "he" could be used both for male or for gender-neutral usages.

The shift to treating he/him/his as exclusively male seems to be a fairly recent phenomenon (last few decades) as American social progressives sought to change language to be explicitly-inclusive instead of implicitly-inclusive and to avoid confusion due to the context-dependent dual meaning of such words.

1970s - "he" means everyone 1990s - "he/she" means everyone 2020s - "they" means everyone

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by kanbara on Friday August 09, 2024 @04:16PM (#41205059)
this is also occurring in a tonne of european languages: german, french, spanish, italian, etc. it's progressives and people who care for others, not just americans.

as is well studies, we know very concretely how language and word usage influences thought (because it is thought, expressed)

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by lupire on Saturday August 10, 2024 @06:01AM (#41208442)
Explicitly exclusive is another way of saying implicitly inclusive.

Kind of a wild take to ignore centuries of implicit and explicit exclusion of women from having civil rights.

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by HideousKojima on Friday August 09, 2024 @10:22AM (#41202122)
"His" is entirely grammatically correct, even if he was speaking about teens in a general sense, both male and female.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by kanbara on Friday August 09, 2024 @04:17PM (#41205071)
it may be grammatically correct, but it is still exclusionary.

i don't know why people fight so hard to just simply not include others

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by HideousKojima on Saturday August 10, 2024 @12:47AM (#41207377)
Not at all, it includes women too.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by dleink on Monday August 12, 2024 @01:25PM (#41227014)
While not grammatically incorrect[0], it is stylistically incorrect, unless the writing style you're going for is "jerk".

[0] Major sources (MLA, CMos) have made nongendered pronouns suggested

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by HPsquared on Friday August 09, 2024 @03:53AM (#41199674)
This is also how the classic car market works.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by cbsks on Friday August 09, 2024 @07:52AM (#41200952)
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by bena on Thursday August 08, 2024 @11:16PM (#41198508)
Are they Better Than some of these other bands? Any connection to Ezra Miller?

Why do I think they're Better Than Ezra? Or possibly Candlebox? That feels about right. Probably more Better Than Ezra because Candlebox feels a little out of the Mouse's wheelhouse.

They were/are solid.

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday August 09, 2024 @01:11AM (#41198941)
Yeah, one of the things I didn't like about this analysis is that it really didn't do a very good job of differentiating between a band that really is a "one hit wonder" and a band that may only be in the top 40 for a short time but still has a dedicated following and is able to make a good, long career of it.

Take his "prototypical example" of Of Monsters and Men. I am glad that he did mention that the band "has enjoyed continued success since their 2012 breakout", but as a big fan of this band, I'd say they have a really dedicated following. I think in their case they were more of the "quirky band shoots has an immensely mainstream popular single, then goes back to being a quirky band, just with a much bigger following".

Rather than just look at placement in the top 40, which is only going to be songs that have wide applicability and are usually heavily promoted, I think it's more applicable to see how long these folks can have a career in music. As another example, think of someone like Andre 3000. Sure, he may never surpass his fame from Outkast's "Hey Ya" in 2003, but he's been working prominently for 30 years.

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by TheOtherHobbes on Friday August 09, 2024 @06:10AM (#41200405)
There's an entire industry supporting former short-run chart names touring - and often selling out - small/medium venues and playing smaller festivals, nostalgia cruises, and so on.

There's also an entire industry of cover bands and impersonators.

There's far more to it than the Billboard list.

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by fasa99 on Saturday August 10, 2024 @01:58PM (#41211139)
for sure.

for me this hits hard. I've literally made most of my whole career off one famous song called "Do you like Pina Coladas" (but actually it's called "Escape"). A good number of people know the tune but few could tell you who made it :(

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by mc32 on Saturday August 10, 2024 @09:47AM (#41209463)
George Thorogood and the Destroyers and others like it are bands that put a lot of hard work into small venue touring but keep on performing into old age. Their big break came when they did their 50/50 in support of the Rolling Stones.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by glenngillen on Friday August 09, 2024 @01:24AM (#41198999)
So… the Goo Goo Dolls? :P
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by vundercind on Friday August 09, 2024 @09:42AM (#41201755)
I’d guess whatever band it is, is at least one full notch less-prominent and -successful than that one.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by Pet_Ant on Friday August 09, 2024 @10:40AM (#41202319)
Something more like Better than Ezra is my guess.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by punk-coder on Friday August 09, 2024 @01:04PM (#41203597)
I may have put them in a rung higher than they are, since I didn’t listen to them back when they were big and touring, so I only know them more by who they tour with now, but his band is Sister Hazel.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday August 09, 2024 @06:26PM (#41205874)
I'm glad you said who they were. I think the example of Sister Hazel perfectly fits the example I gave in another comment: it wasn't the case with them that they were a one hit wonder that flamed out quickly, but rather that they were a good band that made a lot of music that a lot of people liked, and one of their songs just happened to be a big radio hit.

AFAIK they really only had one song that "everybody" knows, "All for You", that got a ton of airplay. But they still put out a lot of records, they had a good devoted fan base of high school/college kids in the late 90s, and AFAIK are well respected for their music in the industry. Glad to hear they're still performing.

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by glenngillen on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @09:26PM (#41241675)
Belatedly coming back to this, but thank you for sharing! I'd not heard that name in a loooonnnngggg time and am currently enjoying the trip down memory lane.
Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by bombcar on Friday August 09, 2024 @07:46AM (#41200912)
It’s a variation of the “thousand true fans” - https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/

You do not need to be terribly famous at all to make a comfortable living; locally famous or historically know will get you to that level.

Re:How Long Does Music Stardom Last? A Statistical Analysis by winternett on Friday August 09, 2024 @11:51AM (#41202981)
As a musician myself, who has also brushed elbows in coming up amongst friends within the industry, one of the most vital skills a musician can learn is that avoiding overexposure is the key to long-term survival, just as much as making great music that endures... I know many artists that were very prominent years ago, but now can barely climb that hill again because of overexposure and huge re-marketing costs, coupled with an ageing fan base.

People who follow trends, and try to sound like others is definitely an indication that their career is short lived, but in this day and age, with the way social media promotion works, too many artists compete to constantly be on trending lists, and that easily burns out audiences on them and their names... It's relatively easy to "look popular" if you dump tons of money into music promotion, and labels love it when an artists dominates online, but that also makes them flood out everyone else, and even more important trending topics than music at times.

There can be a huge backlash for bought popularity, and for promoting yourself as more important than other vital topics people care about in their daily lives, as on social media, there is only one timeline and trending list for everything.

Absence can potentially make the heart grow fonder for listeners towards a music artist when well timed, especially if every time the artist re-emerges they put out consistently great music projects... Modern musicians need to learn how to share the microphone, and social media needs to create a more even playing field for multiple artists to coexist in over time, rather than pushing just 3-7 celebrity artists all of the time... That's the key to longer careers in music in my opinion.